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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Mainstreaming mentally handicapped kids into the classroom to the detriment of
    other students so they do not feel different is coddling to me. If you are concerned about homeless mental patients, then you should support institutionalizing them and we can both be satisfied.
    There are mentally ill and there are Aspergers kids who by all accounts usually possess much higher IQs then their non- Aspy peers.

    I get it if they are so impaired a classroom would have to slow down for them but my second boy who's diagnosed Aspy thinks the accelerated gifted courses hes been in since 2cnd grade are a joke.

    This killer was pointed out as being a Aspy when his actions totally contradict whats expected from kids with the condition.

    Beleive it or not personality disorders are so prevalent in our society. A girl who's histrionic is going to do far mar damage to herself and others throughout her life than any aspie kid but in HS might be the head of the Cheerleading squad and voted most likely to be successful.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    First of all check the post again I responded to your post .
    Your response to my post is responding to your post???

    How come everytime any American ask for better stronger gun control somebody always says some crap like "youre takin away ore guns" or "frum ma ded cold hands" or some **** like that.

    You yourself said "weeding out the nut jobs" did you not?

    In the current system of gun sales this apparently is not working. history has proven that.
    So we ask for a different system to keep innocent people and kids from being shot and killed.
    What do we get flyers from the NRA AND CATCH PHRASES FROM GUN OWNERS?????
    Connecticut already has the fourth most stringent gun ownership regulations of the 50 states.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    this carnage points to the importance of death penalty..



    26 reported killed in Newtown, Conn., school shooting

    NEWTOWN, Conn. -- A lone gunman killed 26 people at an elementary school here, including 18 children, in a terrifying early Friday morning shooting spree.

    The Associated Press and local media reported the shooter, a 24-year-old male identified by CNN as Ryan Lanza, was also dead inside Sandy Hook Elementary School. A second person was in custody and undergoing questioning. At least three weapons were recovered at the scene, including a .223-caliber assault rifle and two semi-automatic handguns.

    Mayor Mark Boughton said several victims had been taken to local hospitals.

    Groups of students — some crying, some holding hands — were escorted from the school by teachers. Some witnesses reported of up to 100 shots. There were unconfirmed reports that the assailant, dressed in military style assault gear, shot most of the victims in a kindergarten classroom.
    importance of death penalty..



    26 reported killed in Newtown, Conn., school shooting
    I'm tired. It's been a long day. I killed a squirrel that ran under my car on the way to work and he's the only one I know who had a worse day than I did. So, I misread this headline and thought it said '26 REPORTERS killed.' Yes, my unconscious somehow said that to me.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    How come everytime any American ask for better stronger gun control somebody always says some crap like "youre takin away ore guns" or "frum ma ded cold hands" or some **** like that.
    Because you're threatening their freedom in order to impose ineffective laws. It was already illegal to possess a firearm in that school, somehow this criminal managed to ignore the laws. Only the naive are confounded by this.

    If a gun free zone didn't work, none of "solutions" will.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Liberals. You will never be able to grasp the logic, but here goes.

    The problem that we can solve inside such as Sandy Point School is that only the criminal was armed.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There are mentally ill and there are Aspergers kids who by all accounts usually possess much higher IQs then their non- Aspy peers.

    I get it if they are so impaired a classroom would have to slow down for them but my second boy who's diagnosed Aspy thinks the accelerated gifted courses hes been in since 2cnd grade are a joke.

    This killer was pointed out as being a Aspy when his actions totally contradict whats expected from kids with the condition.

    Beleive it or not personality disorders are so prevalent in our society. A girl who's histrionic is going to do far mar damage to herself and others throughout her life than any aspie kid but in HS might be the head of the Cheerleading squad and voted most likely to be successful.
    We really do not know a lot of detail but he apparently had a checkered past which should have thrown up red flags. Everything I have read indicates that these mass killings are usually thoroughly planned out well ahead of time and are the culmination of a long downward spiral. This kid was apparently very obsessive from little hints here and there in the reporting. There was a kid in my college dorm who we used to toy with because he was a friend of ours but would become almost dysfuntional if everything was not in its exact place and in its exact order until he got it back where it belonged. He just couldn't focus on anything else if you moved anything out of its place until he put it back in its right position, including where pencils were on a desk top. My guy never made it too obvious. It was just something we noticed and tested our theory repeatedly. If we were bored we's just move stuff around and watch him subtly move it back. It sounds to me like the shooter may have had the same type issue but lost control.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Heheh, the same could be said for having kids.
    Distraction;a bit of an old tactic for people that want to make it easy to buy a gun isn't it?
    Agreed but having kids is not the same as killing kids.

    I have always been a strong supporter of abortion.

    Most are born with the anatomy to have children.
    You are not born with a gun.
    That you have to buy; how easy to buy or have access to, that is the question here?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Distraction;a bit of an old tactic for people that want to make it easy to buy a gun isn't it?
    Agreed but having kids is not the same as killing kids.

    I have always been a strong supporter of abortion.

    Most are born with the anatomy to have children.
    You are not born with a gun.
    That you have to buy; how easy to buy or have access to, that is the question here?
    Exceedingly easy as it's a right; that is the answer here.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They'd check your credit score. What does your credit score say about your mental state?



    Arrest Record, Credit Score, and proof of employment. If you think that is an extensive check, you need to apply for a security clearance.



    The check your arrest record.



    No, the guns were legally purchased and stolen from the person that legally purchased them .
    Because mentally ill people usually don't have a high credit score.

    Exactly my point, thank you.
    Question do you believe that every person that bought a gun leagally would pass a security clearence, think hard now.

    The Virginia Tech murderer had an arrest record yet he bought 2 glocks from a pawn shop.


    If a person buys a gun who should be responsible for where that gun winds up?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American mentality is mostly much different than the rest of the world.
    Historically, Americans felt more comfortable when political power was diffused and vested directly with the people. This explains some of the populist sentiment that has appeared at various points through our history, including the current Tea Party movement. Although they're fiercely patriotic, Americans also held a basic mistrust of a large, powerful central government. They believed in local community for achieving common goals but self-reliance and family when it came to their personal affairs. I think this is changing somewhat, however. It seems as though the "European Disease"--a nanny state that takes care of all your needs--is, unfortunately, creeping more and more in the national psyche.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I will never in a million years understand the American love of the gun.
    I can't exaplin it, either. We love our guns. Don't **** with 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Compared to most other civilized countries in the world, death by gunshot is a statistic that Americans should not be proud of.
    What civilized countries are you talking about? The ones that spent much of their history in a constant state of warfare, culminating with the ones that initiated two World Wars? Or the ones that stood by during the slaughter that took place on their own doorstep in the Balkans only a few short years ago while we cleaned it up?

    Anyway, we're not proud of death by gun, but neither should we be proud of the way Hollywood and popular media today glamorize firearms and engage in a race to see who can have the most shock value or be the most vulgar. We bombard our youth daily with a lot of filth, and it's hard to believe it doesn't affect them in some fundamental way, and not for the better. I'm not saying that's what caused the rampage in Connecticut, but it seems symptomatic of a moral void that's permeating our society. If we're going to have a meaningful discussion on "gun violence," then maybe a good place to start is with the way hypocrites in Hollywood depict guns and violence. The most recent example is the new Quentin Tarantino movie, Django Unchained, set to open most inappropriately on the day that's supposed to celebrate love and peace: Christmas. Yeah, Merry ****ing Christmas, asshole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    And if you think it has to do with "moral decency," this has been going on for a very long time. Like you healthcare, please try not to make things more difficult than they should be.
    This phenomenon isn't unique to the U.S. A few examples:

    July 22, 2011: Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik kills 77 in Norway in twin attacks: a bombing in downtown Oslo and a shooting massacre at a youth camp outside the capital. The self-styled anti-Muslim militant admitted both attacks.

    Sept. 23, 2008: Matti Saari, 22, walks into a vocational college in Kauhajoki, Finland, and opens fire, killing 10 people and burning their bodies with firebombs before shooting himself fatally in the head.

    June 8, 2008: Tomohiro Katō hits a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabs at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife, killing four people and injuring eight.

    Nov. 7, 2007: After revealing plans for his attack in YouTube postings, 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen fires kills eight people at his high school in Tuusula, Finland.

    April 26, 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, who had been expelled from school in Erfurt, Germany, kills 13 teachers, two former classmates and policeman, before committing suicide.

    June 8, 2001: Mamoru Takum, 37, enters Ikeda Elementary School in Osaka, Jaoan and kills eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously woundsthirteen other children and two teachers with a kitchen knife.

    April 28, 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, bursts into cafeteria in seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia, shooting 20 people to death. Driving away, he kills 15 others. He was captured and imprisoned.

    March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and then kills himself.

    Aug. 19, 1987: Michael Ryan, 27, kills 16 people in small market town of Hungerford, England, and then shoots himself dead after being cornered by police.


    So what's your easy solution? Mexico's, where the only people who seem to have weapons are thugs and drug cartels while everyone else if left defenseless?
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