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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But he didn't so you can stop speculating.
    Timothy McVeigh did, so you can stop blaiming the tool and find away to actually do something that works.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    In '95, Holder called for anti-gun info campaign: 'Brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way' | WashingtonExaminer.com

    Eric Holder 1995 Interview - Gun Control - "We Must Brainwash People Against Guns" - YouTube

    “One thing that I think is clear with young people and with adults as well, is that we just have to be repetitive about this,” Holder told the Women’s National Democratic Club while discussing how to curb gun violence in D.C. “It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....but it would not be as easy to kill as many people at once. There would still be some killed, but it would not have been the same level as were killed due to the capability of this assault weapon.
    A shotgun would have killed just as many. The pistol would have killed just as many, in fact probably more due to the greater difficulty of operating a rifle in confined spaces.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I agree. But there is nothing in the second Amendment that says that people have a right to every weapon available. The second Amendment only prohibits to government from an outright ban. Banning assault weapons does nothing to infringe on that right.
    You don't understand the Second Amendment.

    In the simplest terms - the Second Amendment allows us to prevent tyranny.

    If you read some history it would be more clear to you.

    The Second Amendment isn't in place so the common man can protect himself from robbers - the Second Amendment is in place so we remain a free nation and that our Bill of Rights is protected.

    Honestly, I could care less if people today believe they're safe from tyranny. I bet the Jews felt the same way in Germany circa 1935...... The notion that a government (even ours) is in capable of becoming hostile or fascist is ludicrous.

    Unlike most people I do know history repeats itself and you're seeing it happen in front of your eyes.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No moral or responsible person would ever own this type of weapon.
    That's just nonesense. What the weapon looks like is absolutely irrelevant. And in the US civilian market, that's all that "assault" means.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
    What they imagined is the need to protect one's self, possibly even from one's own govt. So, it makes perfect sense that the founders invisioned the populace armed with weapons capable of doing that.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    The ones who want gun control are the bleeding hearts and those who want guns out of our hands just so they can rule in tyrannical fashion, so the common man cant stand up and say "no" like our forefathers did.

    If people didn't have guns then what is to stop the government from having tanks roll down our streets? what good enlisted citizens who will refuse to drive those tanks because they believe in protecting liberties not destroying them or harming innocent civilians?

    Our government is encroaching into authoritarian territory. These ****s believe that "a civil society is an obedient society."

    These ****s are using this tragedy to steal your civil liberties - to guilt you into giving them up, all because some crazy fool killed his mom and stole her guns and in evil fashion killed a bunch of young kids.

    What about those drummer boys who were 10 who beat those drums while they marched to battle? all so we could be free? no one cares about them because they've been gone so long.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I have a child with Asperger's as well. Fortunately, with passive
    manifestations. However, there are some afflicted who are prone to violent outbursts. Going by some of what I have read, this kid in CT seemed to have issues beyond such as well, being very reclusive. I do not see evidence that the Mother was overbearing either. Perhaps she was, but she had a child who apparently had numerous mental issues. What I see is that she tried several approaches. I do fault her for having guns available to a child with such disorders. As the kid planned the event, it was not a random outburst either. And she missed the signs.
    Well from what I hear he suffered from Anhidrosis, or CIPA where he cannot feel pain if injured and they think he was sociopathic. Thing is we've had to contend with the outburst from our son from time to time although none violent.

    It hit close to home for us when the news started reporting his brothers assertion that he had Aspergers Syndrome. We've fielded a few questions from friends and family since Friday and people that actually know our son.

    People that we thought were educated.

    Aspy's typically don't respond well to change and experience higher than normal levels of anxiety when they're confronted with an accute alteration of their schedule.

    Shake up their reptitious day and you have a kid who's profoundly anxious with out a clear way to express their selves verbally.

    We've decided we can work with the social aspects and help guide him but refuse to call this a "disease". They can not identify any pathalogical cause or objective physiological issues that cause it and think its hereditary.

    The shooter was clearly enraged at mother. Whether or not he was medicated reamains to be seen.

    It's also interesting he took his life ( or any one elses ) for that matter.
    Last edited by Fenton; 12-17-12 at 03:03 PM.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
    On the contrary. The framers of the Constitution had exactly this type of weapon in mind when creating the second amendment.

    The foremost purpose of the second amendment is to prevent the disarmament of civilians, keeping the federal government in check to prevent tyranny (such as was defeated during the Revolutionary War). Keep in mind that the arms being protected for private ownership were, at the time, the most devastating one-man deployable weapons in the entire world. The Constitution is for the most part a document outlining checks and balances on the federal government to ensure its power was not abused and that the will of the people stays the foremost governing power in the United States. The Second amendment is one such check and balance. To truly adhere to the intent of the Second Amendment, any military armament should should be available for private ownership. Very few 2nd Amendment supporters would go to that length however.

    As an aside, we've seen our government readily take advantage of under-armed entities (Iraq) while remaining passive on those capable of defending themselves (North Korea) even though gross human rights violations could justify intervention. So I don't think defense from tyranny is an outlandish justification.

    As for other justifiable uses, if the above is not enough, consider defense against dangerous wildlife. One example is packs of feral hogs that threaten much property and human safety. Semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines are a very effective tool to defend one's family and property against such pests. Likewise for bears, wolves, and other dangerous wildlife that unfortunately occasionally threaten human life.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well from what I hear he suffered from Anhidrosis, or CIPA where he cannot feel pain if injured and they think he was sociopathic. Thing is we've had to contend with the outburst from our son from time to time although none violent.

    It hit close to home for us when the news started reporting his brothers assertion that he had Aspergers Syndrome. We've fielded a few questions from friends and family since Friday and people that actually know our son.

    People that we thought were educated.

    Aspy's typically don't respond well to change and experience higher than normal levels of anxiety when they're confronted with an accute alteration of their schedule.

    Shake up their reptitious day and you have a kid who's profoundly anxious with out a clear way to express their selves verbally.

    We've decided we can work with the social aspects and help guide him but refuse to call this a "disease". They can not identify any pathalogical cause or objective physiological issues that cause it and think its hereditary.

    The shooter was clearly enraged at mother. Whether or not he was medicated reamains to be seen.

    It's also interesting he took his life ( or any one elses ) for that matter.
    It's not that they don't feel pain, those who suffer from the disease don't feel fear, yes they're generally sociopathic and narcissistic (symptom).

    They don't have emotions, they cant feel sympathy, empathy, guilt, joy etc.

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