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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I agree. But there is nothing in the second Amendment that says that people have a right to every weapon available. The second Amendment only prohibits to government from an outright ban. Banning assault weapons does nothing to infringe on that right.
    Who told you that? Do you even understand what infringe mean?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but second amendment rights, like any other Constitutional right are not absolute.
    The amendment in question does not agree. For that matter the first amendment also disagrees with your assessment.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
    The Founders weren't granting rights. They were stating them when they drafted the Constitution. I find it absolutely hilarious that you would think these enlightened men, these geniuses who drafted the greatest document ever conceived in Human History, didn't have the foresight to know technology would create more formidable weaponry. I can guarantee the Founders would have loved to get their hands on AKs when they fought the British for Independence. You're tossing out simplistic, irrational, and emotional arguments that have no basis in facts.

    The Founders purposely stated the "Right To Bear Arms shall not be infringed" for a reason. An armed and moral citizenry is the last line of defense against tyranny and oppression. Let's look at the history Gun Control:

    Turkey established gun control in 1911. As a result 1.5 million Armenians, deprived of means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.

    In 1929, the Stalin gun control. Then, from 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.

    In 1938 Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were rounded up and killed.

    In 1935, China established gun control. 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed from 1948 and 1952 .

    In 1956 Cambodia enshrined gun control. Over one million ‘educated’ people were rounded up and killed within 2 years.

    In 1964 Guatemala locked in gun control. 100K Mayans were killed

    In 1970 Uganda embraced gun control. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were rounded up and killed.

    The worst mass murder committed at a school was in 1927. The killer was a politician who used dynamite.

    Andrew Kehoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Andrew Philip Kehoe (February 1, 1872 – May 18, 1927) was an American farmer and treasurer of his township school board, notable as a mass murderer for killing his wife and blowing up their home and farm, as well as killing 43 other people, mostly children, and injuring 58 in setting off bombs in the Bath School Disaster on May 18, 1927. He killed himself in one of the explosions at the school, when he set off dynamite in his car.
    Evil exists. The cops can't magically appear in your house when it breaks in to save you. If you don't want to own a gun, don't buy one. Put a sign in front of your house that says "Gun Free Home". Good luck with that.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but second amendment rights, like any other Constitutional right are not absolute.
    While that may be true on some relative scale, you cannot merely state "no one who owns these guns is moral and they serve no legitimate purpose" as an excuse to limit rights, particularly when you talk about doing so through government force. Opinion and bias are not enough to infringe upon rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I agree. But there is nothing in the second Amendment that says that people have a right to every weapon available. The second Amendment only prohibits to government from an outright ban. Banning assault weapons does nothing to infringe on that right.
    Yes it does. You are restricting a right, which previously put no restriction on type, to prevent one from keeping or bearing certain weapons. If you wish to do so, you must first have legitimate argument.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    His parents were very well off. Chances are he had plenty of oppurtunities to get mental health access and may have been on one or a few of medications.

    Our second son was diagnosed with Aspergers when he was 5. After a couple of different attempts at medication we realized that there was nothing wrong with a shy but yet very intelligent kid.

    That chemical alteration of this innately brilliant child (our son not the killer ) was the worse option given to us as Doctors, teachers and drug companies push products to make children conform to a perception of normal.

    From my personal experience the shooter was Aspergers with a very controling Mother and was allowed to isolate to the point of losing all touch with the outside world. That mothers control pushed him to a hatred that was so severe he wanted to do as much damage to her as possible.

    I'm curious to know what medications he was on. It's not like a Aspergers child to strike out in violence.

    Our son is the most honest and sweetest of our kids and in the 3 rd grade was helping his older sister with her Algebra 1 Homework.

    Aspergers kids are future scientist, engineers, physicist, etc.

    The Columbine shooters were both medicated and they're tying other violent acts by kids to some of the medications given to force their conformity.

    New Gun laws ? Why ? You know all schools advertize that there is NO ONE ON CAMPUS with a means to protect their selves from a gun wielding intruder ?

    Yep, "gun free zones" are soft targets.

    Its liberal thinking and its absurd as ever as emotion and zero tolerance over ride intelligence.
    I have Aspergers, it can be difficult at times. I suppose those of us who have the "talent" get frustrated with those who are unwilling to let pride (politics or anything for that matter) go to see the truth, but at the same time that frustration should never be acted out in the form of violence.

    I love guns, I love our liberties and hold our Bill of Rights in high regard - not because those rights grant me freedoms, moreso because thousands died so their children (our forefathers) had rights that weren't dictated by a monarchy or a church. When our rights are taken away, we may as well revert back to the time when kings and queens ruled the land or when the church enforced the law.

    We're unique as a nation because we stood up with our guns and said "NO!"

    Even as a non-violent man, given the aforementioned I will not let their dream die when they died for it.

    They died so we could be free, and that idea should be learned and taught and never forgot.

    Sorry I went from Aspergers to guns but our civil liberties should be highly valued and respected instead of twenty-somthings or progressives disrespecting what many men died for. Not only do they disrespect those that died for our liberties, they disrespect the philosophy this land was founded.

    Now to use a quote to close out my "rant."

    "That is all I have to say about that" - Forrest Gump

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure you can. We do it all the time. Even with weapons we place restrictions. I'm still waiting for a single person including yourself to list one legitimate purpose these weapons serve.
    It is legal in many states to hunt with a .223 rifle, that is one legitimate purpose.
    Currently AR-15 style rifles are legal to own, so owning one is a second legitimate purpose.
    (think of it as a piece of artwork, does it really need a purpose?)
    I would hope it never comes to invoking the third box of Liberty, but an AR-15 style rifle, would
    be a lot more useful than a shotgun.
    FYI, At the time of ratification of the Constitutions, and the bill of Rights,
    Private Citizens could and did own Cannon, the most powerful weapon of the day.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What, are you a mind reader now, too?
    I don't think you have to be a mind reader to understand his point.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    The NRA said "easy fix" after Columbine , Virginia tech, the little girl that got shot in Flint Aurura, and here we are????
    Where's your link?

    If a crazy person has a bomb a knife and a sig and a glock and a 223 if you removed the 3 guns could you not concentrate more on the bomb and the knife .
    A bomb can not be bought legally a knife you can either throw or get up close in which a chair good be a good weapon against a knife, not against a gun though..
    Have you heard of Timothy McVeigh?

    I did not say honest responsible people should not be able to buy guns I said nuts should not be accessable to a gun nor be able to buy one
    And I said: How do you do that without violating their right to privacy?

    So you buy a gun to protect yourself from nuts buying guns?
    Yes.

    Am I missing something here?
    Yes.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Funny, he didn't say a word about constitutional rights. But you did. Twenty children were just ruthlessly shot full of holes and all you care about is that someone might take away your toys??? Yes, there is a mental health problem in this country and it's called conservatism.
    Yes he did. The right to privacy. And I've said nothing about gun-control...for or against. You're letting your bias read for you.

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