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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I notice that you haven't been able to name a legitimate purpose. Very telling. The reality is, the second amendment does not say that a citizen has a right to every known weapon available. Only that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. You can place reasonable limits on the types of weapons without infringing on the right to bear arms.
    Why does there have to be a "legitimate purpose"? I've never read that gun ownership has to be justified.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've noticed you have not been able to quantify why these have no "legitimate purpose". Very telling. The reality is, the second amendment does not restrict class of weapon from the People. You cannot limit a right without infringing upon the exercise of that right.
    Sure you can. We do it all the time. Even with weapons we place restrictions. I'm still waiting for a single person including yourself to list one legitimate purpose these weapons serve.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure you can. We do it all the time. Even with weapons we place restrictions. I'm still waiting for a single person including yourself to list one legitimate purpose these weapons serve.
    I'm still waiting for you to quantify why these are not legitimate. You're the one that wants to infringe upon the exercise of a right, you're the one who has to prove their position.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Instead of claiming the shooter was evil, lets take a look at the shooters mental
    state. Perhaps if we had already had health care implemented, the sick individual who took these inocent lives would have gotten the mental health care he obviously needed and that would have prevented such a horrible situation. We have to address these problems. We can't just claim people like the shooter are evil and we can't do anything to prevent this sort of thing. These things will continue to happen over and over agian until we address the problems and come up with common sense solutions.
    The GOP are against health care for all and gun control. I would like to know why.
    His parents were very well off. Chances are he had plenty of oppurtunities to get mental health access and may have been on one or a few of medications.

    Our second son was diagnosed with Aspergers when he was 5. After a couple of different attempts at medication we realized that there was nothing wrong with a shy but yet very intelligent kid.

    That chemical alteration of this innately brilliant child (our son not the killer ) was the worse option given to us as Doctors, teachers and drug companies push products to make children conform to a perception of normal.

    From my personal experience the shooter was Aspergers with a very controling Mother and was allowed to isolate to the point of losing all touch with the outside world. That mothers control pushed him to a hatred that was so severe he wanted to do as much damage to her as possible.

    I'm curious to know what medications he was on. It's not like a Aspergers child to strike out in violence.

    Our son is the most honest and sweetest of our kids and in the 3 rd grade was helping his older sister with her Algebra 1 Homework.

    Aspergers kids are future scientist, engineers, physicist, etc.

    The Columbine shooters were both medicated and they're tying other violent acts by kids to some of the medications given to force their conformity.

    New Gun laws ? Why ? You know all schools advertize that there is NO ONE ON CAMPUS with a means to protect their selves from a gun wielding intruder ?

    Yep, "gun free zones" are soft targets.

    Its liberal thinking and its absurd as ever as emotion and zero tolerance over ride intelligence.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Why does there have to be a "legitimate purpose"? I've never read that gun ownership has to be justified.
    I have to give you credit for at least recognizing that they serve no legitimate purpose. As for "legitimacy", Constitutional law addresses the issue all the time. Constitutional rights are not ABSOLUTE and have never been. The Constitution requires that any restriction on a Fundamental Constitutional right serve a compelling state interest. If the weapons in questions serve a legitimate function, it would be much harder to claim a compelling state interest to justify any infringement on the right. If the weapon in question serves no legitimate interest, it is much easier to claim a compelling state interest in upholding the restriction. That's conlaw 101
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I have to give you credit for at least recognizing that they serve no legitimate purpose. As for "legitimacy", Constitutional law addresses the issue all the time. Constitutional rights are not ABSOLUTE and have never been. The Constitution requires that any restriction on a Fundamental Constitutional right serve a compelling state interest. If the weapons in questions serve a legitimate function, it would be much harder to claim a compelling state interest to justify any infringement on the right. If the weapon in question serves no legitimate interest, it is much easier to claim a compelling state interest in upholding the restriction. That's conlaw 101
    Credit denied, and don't put words in my mouth please. I don't think there needs to be any justification for owning any gun beyond the fact that I may want to own it.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Credit denied, and don't put words in my mouth please. I don't think there needs to be any justification for owning any gun beyond the fact that I may want to own it.
    Sorry....but second amendment rights, like any other Constitutional right are not absolute.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
    The purpose of the Second Amendment is that the people shall be armed as the government is armed.

    We the people are the organized militia, we the people are the keepers of the Bill of Rights/Constitution.

    A lot of people fail to see the intent behind the Second Amendment.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    His parents were very well off. Chances are he had plenty of oppurtunities to get mental health access and may have been on one or a few of medications.

    Our second son was diagnosed with Aspergers when he was 5. After a couple of different attempts at medication we realized that there was nothing wrong with a shy but yet very intelligent kid.

    That chemical alteration of this innately brilliant child (our son not the killer ) was the worse option given to us as Doctors, teachers and drug companies push products to make children conform to a perception of normal.

    From my personal experience the shooter was Aspergers with a very controling Mother and was allowed to isolate to the point of losing all touch with the outside world. That mothers control pushed him to a hatred that was so severe he wanted to do as much damage to her as possible.

    I'm curious to know what medications he was on. It's not like a Aspergers child to strike out in violence.

    Our son is the most honest and sweetest of our kids and in the 3 rd grade was helping his older sister with her Algebra 1 Homework.

    Aspergers kids are future scientist, engineers, physicist, etc.

    The Columbine shooters were both medicated and they're tying other violent acts by kids to some of the medications given to force their conformity.

    New Gun laws ? Why ? You know all schools advertize that there is NO ONE ON CAMPUS with a means to protect their selves from a gun wielding intruder ?

    Yep, "gun free zones" are soft targets.

    Its liberal thinking and its absurd as ever as emotion and zero tolerance over ride intelligence.
    I have a child with Asperger's as well. Fortunately, with passive manifestations. However, there are some afflicted who are prone to violent outbursts. Going by some of what I have read, this kid in CT seemed to have issues beyond such as well, being very reclusive. I do not see evidence that the Mother was overbearing either. Perhaps she was, but she had a child who apparently had numerous mental issues. What I see is that she tried several approaches. I do fault her for having guns available to a child with such disorders. As the kid planned the event, it was not a random outburst either. And she missed the signs.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The purpose of the Second Amendment is that the people shall be armed as the government is armed.

    We the people are the organized militia, we the people are the keepers of the Bill of Rights/Constitution.

    A lot of people fail to see the intent behind the Second Amendment.
    I agree. But there is nothing in the second Amendment that says that people have a right to every weapon available. The second Amendment only prohibits to government from an outright ban. Banning assault weapons does nothing to infringe on that right.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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