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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....but it would not be as easy to kill as many people at once. There would still be some killed, but it would not have been the same level as were killed due to the capability of this assault weapon.
    Nope. You clearly do not know guns.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The Constitution does not limit our right to keep and bear arms to " those arms necessary for hunting."
    If that is what they wanted it to say, it would have been written that way.
    Our right to bear arms is based on the 3 boxes of government.
    Three Boxes of Liberty
    And I do know people who hunt with these weapons.
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm a moral and responsible person and I own some weapons that could do some serious damage. I own these weapons so I can protect my rights to have these weapons - to protect myself from tyranny, to protect civil liberties in general.

    If it matters, I hardly ever carry my 38 when I go out in public.

    I suppose it's better to have a gun and not need one than need a gun and not have one.

    My next acquisition will be a Thompson M1A1.
    Based on what you just wrote....I would beg to differ.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So ignorance and bias then. You believe there could be no purpose and that one who has such weapons surely cannot be moral. But you have no measurement to back this claim. I've seen similar arguments.
    What legitimate purpose do such weapons serve?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What legitimate purpose do such weapons serve?
    What business is it of yours? To keep and bear arms is a right, and one is free to exercise their rights. So long as one does not infringe upon the rights of others, they should be free to do as they like.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What business is it of yours? To keep and bear arms is a right, and one is free to exercise their rights. So long as one does not infringe upon the rights of others, they should be free to do as they like.
    Banning assault weapons does not prevent anyone from "keeping and bearing arms". Society has every right to place reasonable and responsible restrictions on the type of weapons we want in our midst. There isn't a single legitimate purpose for these types of weapons and its time that citizens stand up to the wacko gun lobby.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Banning assault weapons does not prevent anyone from "keeping and bearing arms". Society has every right to place reasonable and responsible restrictions on the type of weapons we want in our midst. There isn't a single legitimate purpose for these types of weapons and its time that citizens stand up to the wacko gun lobby.
    Certainly prevents them from keeping and bearing anything you're willing to label as an "assault weapon". You claim "no legitimate purpose", but you have nothing to quantify that claim with. It is merely your opinion, and your opinion is not enough to infringe upon the rights of others.

    Society has no rights, BTW, only individuals possess rights.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly prevents them from keeping and bearing anything you're willing to label as an "assault weapon". You claim "no legitimate purpose", but you have nothing to quantify that claim with. It is merely your opinion, and your opinion is not enough to infringe upon the rights of others.

    Society has no rights, BTW, only individuals possess rights.
    I notice that you haven't been able to name a legitimate purpose. Very telling. The reality is, the second amendment does not say that a citizen has a right to every known weapon available. Only that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. You can place reasonable limits on the types of weapons without infringing on the right to bear arms.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I notice that you haven't been able to name a legitimate purpose. Very telling. The reality is, the second amendment does not say that a citizen has a right to every known weapon available. Only that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. You can place reasonable limits on the types of weapons without infringing on the right to bear arms.
    I've noticed you have not been able to quantify why these have no "legitimate purpose". Very telling. The reality is, the second amendment does not restrict class of weapon from the People. You cannot limit a right without infringing upon the exercise of that right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The founders of our Constitution could not have possibly imagined this type of weapon when they wrote the Constitution. The Second Amendment does not prevent reasonable restrictions on guns. There is nothing in the second amendment that says that you cannot ban assault weapons.
    I think you ignore what the Founders did and did not know, but more importantly, what they considered.

    Had the Founders wanted the average citizen to never rise above being able to own a musket, they would have stated such. If you were to study such, you would read that they clearly intended firearms in the hands of good people so as to be able to defend against firearms in the hands of bad people, to include a bad government. They anticipated that bad people would arm themselves as well as possible, and as such, they did not restrict the good people

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