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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    When is the right time to talk about gun control? It's an honest question. Can you answer that? We have got to talk about it sometime, and it has to be before this happens again and again. How many innocent lives have to be lost before we start the conversation? I wish we had talked about it and acted before this happened. Maybe we can get it done before the next time sweet and innocent lives are lost.
    I think some of us started talking about yesterday with Chicago and Illinois tossing out Conceal and Carry.

    Just what are you to do with someone who is some evil lil shiznit in a school with defenseless children and adults? How do you stop such an individual from causing harm to others?

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    When is the right time to talk about gun control? It's an honest question. Can you answer that? We have got to talk about it sometime, and it has to be before this happens again and again. How many innocent lives have to be lost before we start the conversation? I wish we had talked about it and acted before this happened. Maybe we can get it done before the next time sweet and innocent lives are lost.
    You're still living in a fantasy world where you believe that the government can disarm the entire populace. The government has spent decades and billions of dollars fighting against illegal drugs, and they are more prevalent than ever. The criminals will always have guns, the question is, why should law abiding citizens not have the ability to protect themselves against these armed criminals?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I am getting conflicting reports on that they also found his father dead. Looks like he went to kill his mother who works in the school or was there for some reason. Some are saying the body found in NJ is his Father.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    Ell it is gonna be about 5 seconds before a conservative claims that they better buy guns as this means liberals will want to take them away or a liberal coming in here and posting that they should take them away.

    I won't though, I will merely point out that justice cannot be served, killing the man of he is still alive won't bring back the children. You can't even reach an eye for an eye style justice unless you can kill him 26 times..... That is what I find most frustrating about events like this, there isnt really a proper resolution to it, just senseless pain for its own sake.
    the most important reason we have established a justice system and law rules is that we have to protect the innocent ones and their rights..
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    These guys generally seem to do so emotionally and on a suicide pact. So I don't think the death penalty would have any effect on them.
    it would affect the families in a positive way..
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think some of us started talking about yesterday with Chicago and Illinois tossing out Conceal and Carry.

    Just what are you to do with someone who is some evil lil shiznit in a school with defenseless children and adults? How do you stop such an individual from causing harm to others?
    Instead of claiming the shooter was evil, lets take a look at the shooters mental state. Perhaps if we had already had health care implemented, the sick individual who took these inocent lives would have gotten the mental health care he obviously needed and that would have prevented such a horrible situation. We have to address these problems. We can't just claim people like the shooter are evil and we can't do anything to prevent this sort of thing. These things will continue to happen over and over agian until we address the problems and come up with common sense solutions.
    The GOP are against health care for all and gun control. I would like to know why.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're still living in a fantasy world where you believe that the government can disarm the entire populace. The government has spent decades and billions of dollars fighting against illegal drugs, and they are more prevalent than ever. The criminals will always have guns, the question is, why should law abiding citizens not have the ability to protect themselves against these armed criminals?
    I am not talking about an all out ban on guns. I am talking about gun control. I am not dillusional in thinking that it will prevent all gun crimes, but when a man can order thousands of rounds of amo on line and multiple simi atuo riffles and enter a movie theater and kill in mass in just a few seconds, something is obviously wrong here. That should have raised a few red flags. However, we have no laws preventing someone from stock pilling weapons and amo that are designed to kill mass amounts of people. If those laws were in place, we act on situations when these red flags come up. I believe in the right of citizens to own guns, but it is time to start the conversation. That is the first step.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I am not talking about an all out ban on guns. I am talking about gun control. I am not dillusional in thinking that it will prevent all gun crimes, but when a man can order thousands of rounds of amo on line and multiple simi atuo riffles and enter a movie theater and kill in mass in just a few seconds, something is obviously wrong here. That should have raised a few red flags. However, we have no laws preventing someone from stock pilling weapons and amo that are designed to kill mass amounts of people. If those laws were in place, we act on situations when these red flags come up. I believe in the right of citizens to own guns, but it is time to start the conversation. That is the first step.
    What would've happened if a few people in that theater were carrying? I'm willing to bet the damage would've been far less severe. Just as there is easy illegal access to drugs, there will always be illegal access to murder weapons. All you're doing is making it harder for responsible citizens to defend themselves.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    What would've happened if a few people in that theater were carrying? I'm willing to bet the damage would've been far less severe. Just as there is easy illegal access to drugs, there will always be illegal access to murder weapons. All you're doing is making it harder for responsible citizens to defend themselves.
    That situation was chaos. There probably would have been more innocent lives lost because someone who isn't trained to deal with a situation where one gunman is mowing people down with a simi automatic weapon could accidentally kill innocent people while trying to take down the gunman. I worked in law enforcement for years, and it's not easy for trained people to calmly calculate all the factors involved in taking down a gunman. Citizens who are not trained to deal with these situations can cause more harm than good. Besides, I am not talking about an all out ban on weapons. Why do people like you assume that when someone wants to talk about gun control assume it means gun ban.
    Saying we can or should do nothing to try and prevent these horrible situations is insane.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    That situation was chaos. There probably would have been more innocent lives lost because someone who isn't trained to deal with a situation where one gunman is mowing people down with a simi automatic weapon could accidentally kill innocent people while trying to take down the gunman. I worked in law enforcement for years, and it's not easy for trained people to calmly calculate all the factors involved in taking down a gunman. Citizens who are not trained to deal with these situations can cause more harm than good. Besides, I am not talking about an all out ban on weapons. Why do people like you assume that when someone wants to talk about gun control assume it means gun ban.
    Saying we can or should do nothing to try and prevent these horrible situations is insane.
    I'd love to prevent these situations, I'm just saying that the solution isn't more gun control. The solution is allowing people to defend themselves.

    Let's say for instance, you walked into a room of turkeys, closing the door behind you. You raise your weapon, and slowly and calmly can shoot one by one while they scramble. Let's say then in another scenario, you walk into a room of lions, closing the door behind you. In which scenario do you believe you would be more successful?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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