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26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

So technically you are saying gun control doesn't need looked into or discussed it's fine the way it is right?
Somebody said the same thing to me right after the V T killings before they changed the law.

So the proposal of gun safety class should be taken by all gun owners is wrong
The class on the best way to keep your gun from getting into others hands another proposal for all gun owners is wrong.
A proposal that whenever your gun is not in use a gun lock be placed on the trigger guard and gun locks should be purchased with guns that is wrong.

So you're saying nothing wrong with gun control at all leave it the way it is,
Very well we have no more to debate nor to discuss.
The next time there is a person with the gun and innocent people or kids wind up dead ask yourself a question.
COULD WE DO BETTER?.
bye.:peace

Education on firearms safety and gun laws is good, and should be added to a free public education. the NICS check is a good idea and could be expanded, but care must be taken to protect the rights of all. Responsible storage of guns is a good idea but is not enforceable until after the fact. The emphasis should be on removing violent criminals from society permanently, as all of this concentratoin on preventing the "next time" is targetted at those that already did it the first time.
 
I’ve been having similar thoughts, if from the other side.

My thought was: “Are events like this the price of freedom? And, if so, are we willing to pay it?”

Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.:peace
 
Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.:peace

The why can't the guns are evil crowd make a Constitutional argument for that? I am not saying it can't be done (well Turtle would disagree) but I have yet to hear it made by the reactionaries and stick it to the GOP base crowd.
 
Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.:peace
You misunderstand.

I was wondering if the risk of such events occuring again was the price we must pay to keep some freedoms. Be they weapon-related freedoms otherwise (thinking mental health, etc).
 
Education on firearms safety and gun laws is good, and should be added to a free public education. the NICS check is a good idea and could be expanded, but care must be taken to protect the rights of all. Responsible storage of guns is a good idea but is not enforceable until after the fact. The emphasis should be on removing violent criminals from society permanently, as all of this concentratoin on preventing the "next time" is targetted at those that already did it the first time.

You have stated in your post "not much better " these are your words right.

I do not and have stated I don't know all the answers but there is 3 right there to improve gun control and gun ownership.

Example it's easy to buy a car but you have to learn how to drive , then you have to take a drivers test then you have to buy insurance to drive your car and a new tag every year.

Buying a gun is easy taking a gun safety test and passing it ?
Having a gun is easy taking a class on how to keep it from the hands of others?
When a gun is not in use putting a lock on it well ?
All or any of these would be just too difficult for a want to be gun owner to consider huh?

The task would be too much to ask??
BYE.
 
You misunderstand.

I was wondering if the risk of such events occuring again was the price we must pay to keep some freedoms. Be they weapon-related freedoms otherwise (thinking mental health, etc).

I got your point , I guess you missed mine.
Read the Patriot act yet?
How about smoking in public places , how about having a public smoking resturant.

You worry about freedom , I'll worry about life liberty and the pursuit of ... what was that again? lol:peace
 
I got your point , I guess you missed mine.
Read the Patriot act yet?
How about smoking in public places , how about having a public smoking restaurant.

You worry about freedom , I'll worry about life liberty and the pursuit of ... what was that again? lol:peace
Possibly.
No, but from what I've heard, I probably disagree with all/parts of it.
Smoking bans are at best questionable in my mind.
Freedom is an essential part of happiness, as I see it.
 
You have stated in your post "not much better " these are your words right.

I do not and have stated I don't know all the answers but there is 3 right there to improve gun control and gun ownership.

Example it's easy to buy a car but you have to learn how to drive , then you have to take a drivers test then you have to buy insurance to drive your car and a new tag every year.

Buying a gun is easy taking a gun safety test and passing it ?
Having a gun is easy taking a class on how to keep it from the hands of others?
When a gun is not in use putting a lock on it well ?
All or any of these would be just too difficult for a want to be gun owner to consider huh?

The task would be too much to ask??
BYE.

You compare the 2A Constutional right to a state issued privilege, like driving. I compare the 2A Constitutional right to right, like voting. That is the significant difference.

We once had tests/fees/restrictions for the right to vote yet they were made illegal either by Constitutional amendment or SCOTUS rulings, and for those same reasons, I oppose tests/fees/restrictions on the 2A right as the voting right. Anyone listed as "unworthy" for the right to keep and bear arms should also be listed as "unworthy" to vote, that is the basis for my point of view on the matter of gun rights/voting rights control.
 
The right direction was the Brady bill, some ask for more didn't get it untill after the VT.shootings then after a long debate got that.
The Brady Act passed in 1993 and is still in effect today.
An honest person would admit that this just destroyed his entire argument, and so I am very interested in your response.
 
I know what living in a small town means and I have a question.

Why does a sub school teacher need a AR-15 and handguns?

Was it because of the crime in Newtown being so high? don't think so.

Perhaps the gun dealer didn't ask enough questions.
But has I said in a previous post I do not have the answers mearly questions.

My one question remains "CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND IMPROVE GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST AMERICA CAN DO?:peace
Sorry -- I did not see answer to my question.
I'll ask again:

Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.
 
Possibly.
No, but from what I've heard, I probably disagree with all/parts of it.
Smoking bans are at best questionable in my mind.
Freedom is an essential part of happiness, as I see it.

Then we agree to disagree, for one can be free and not be happy ask the homeless in America, ask the unemployed.
Yet one can be happy and not be free.

Freedom comes from what you have
Happiness comes from who you are.:peace
 
You compare the 2A Constutional right to a state issued privilege, like driving. I compare the 2A Constitutional right to right, like voting. That is the significant difference.

We once had tests/fees/restrictions for the right to vote yet they were made illegal either by Constitutional amendment or SCOTUS rulings, and for those same reasons, I oppose tests/fees/restrictions on the 2A right as the voting right. Anyone listed as "unworthy" for the right to keep and bear arms should also be listed as "unworthy" to vote, that is the basis for my point of view on the matter of gun rights/voting rights control.

People vdrive the interstate all the time keyword "INTERSTATE" that means through different states.

People that are unwothy to vote pull a lever or press a button and walk away
People unworthy to of the right to keep and bear arms walk away too, but they leave innocent people dead.

My view on gun rights are a bit different.
I do not think a person who is taking medication for a bi polar disorder should have the right to buy a gun.
There are other's on this list but you however see no problem with this so why bother explaining why or why bother listing the rest acccording to you all Americans that have the right to vote have the right to buy a gun.
Which covers a broad spectrum. and a dangerous spectrum.:peace
 
Sorry -- I did not see answer to my question.
I'll ask again:

Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.

Try the 4th line down again try reading it this time.

If not let me repeat it in cap letters.I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS.

However, I do think gun control could be looked at and new ideas on how to prevent innocent people getting shot by crazy people with guns bought legaly, should at least be on the table. At least make an effort instead of saying "gun control is fine the way it is."

If nothing can be done fine, but just to throw up your hands and say nothing needs to be done, to not even make the attempt WELL?:peace
 
People vdrive the interstate all the time keyword "INTERSTATE" that means through different states.

People that are unwothy to vote pull a lever or press a button and walk away
People unworthy to of the right to keep and bear arms walk away too, but they leave innocent people dead.

My view on gun rights are a bit different.
I do not think a person who is taking medication for a bi polar disorder should have the right to buy a gun.
There are other's on this list but you however see no problem with this so why bother explaining why or why bother listing the rest acccording to you all Americans that have the right to vote have the right to buy a gun.
Which covers a broad spectrum. and a dangerous spectrum.:peace

I have never objected to convicted felons or the criminally insane from being denied the right to keep and bear arms or the right to vote. My position is very, very simple: If you are listed as legally unable to have 2A rights then you also should lose your voting rights - only ONE list (NICS) will be used to deny both of those rights to that small subset of citizens.
 
Try the 4th line down again try reading it this time.
If not let me repeat it in cap letters.I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS.
However, I do think gun control could be looked at and new ideas on how to prevent innocent people getting shot by crazy people with guns bought legaly, should at least be on the table. At least make an effort instead of saying "gun control is fine the way it is."
I see.
You call for "strcikter" gun laws, but don't have any idea what they would be and have no idea how they would/could stop another Newtown shooting.
You might as well be calling on the power of Greyskull.
:lol:
 
I have never objected to convicted felons or the criminally insane from being denied the right to keep and bear arms or the right to vote. My position is very, very simple: If you are listed as legally unable to have 2A rights then you also should lose your voting rights - only ONE list (NICS) will be used to deny both of those rights to that small subset of citizens.

Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
Well that would solve America's gun control problem????:peace
 
Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
The law, as pssed by Congress and upheld by the supreme court.

So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
You are, but only if you're being dishonest.
 
I see.
You call for "strcikter" gun laws, but don't have any idea what they would be and have no idea how they would/could stop another Newtown shooting.
You might as well be calling on the power of Greyskull.
:lol:

Do not mistake me for some treehugger that wants no American to carry a gun pal.
That has never been my intention nor question.
I support the 2nd amendment for all rational honest people for the right to purchase and bear arms to defend themselves if neccessary.

I do not support an irrational person or a mentally ill person on medication to purchase guns.

What I call for is a lot less innocent people and kids dieing because the matter of gun control can not be discussed, or investigated
The very thought of any change would be too difficult to bear I want to know why?:peace
 
The law, as pssed by Congress and upheld by the supreme court.


You are, but only if you're being dishonest.

And who would be voting these people into Congress , gun owners want to be gun owners backed by the NRA.

Like any of them would even bother looking into gun control.

That would be like picking Congress from the OWS PROTESTORS..

Dishonesty does not shoot and kill innocent people , a gun in the wrong hands does.:peace
 
Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
Well that would solve America's gun control problem????:peace

Reading is for the mental, I meant, fundamental. The right to keep and bear arms, like the right to vote, is totally independent of whether a citizen chooses to do either, neither or both. I said that those on the "no gun rights list" should also be on the "no voting rights list". If one is denied (for cause) either right then they lose both rights. Does that sink in now?
 
And who would be voting these people into Congress...
You do know that it had been federal law sonce 1968 that felons cannot legally buy/own guns, right?
You do know that this was upheld by the SCotUS, as has every state ban on voting rights for same, right?

Not sure why you think these are new ideas that someone hopes to implement.
 
Reading is for the mental, I meant, fundamental. The right to keep and bear arms, like the right to vote, is totally independent of whether a citizen chooses to do either, neither or both. I said that those on the "no gun rights list" should also be on the "no voting rights list". If one is denied (for cause) either right then they lose both rights. Does that sink in now?

If there are 2 politicians running for office and 1 is for less gun control and the other is for more gun control and the only ones voting is the people that have the right to buy guns would there be some bias in that election???:peace
 
If there are 2 politicians running for office and 1 is for less gun control and the other is for more gun control and the only ones voting is the people that have the right to buy guns would there be some bias in that election???:peace
This passes for "reasoned" in your circles?
 
You do know that it had been federal law sonce 1968 that felons cannot legally buy/own guns, right?
You do know that this was upheld by the SCotUS, as has every state ban on voting rights for same, right?

Not sure why you think these are new ideas that someone hopes to implement.

Your point being, at gun shows are all people buying guns under the same agreement?

At one time buying a gun ,owning a gun, having a gun was a privalege although the 2nd amendment was enforced, today it is a right doesn't matter if you are responsible or not , doesn't matter if you are on medication for depression or bi polar you still have the right to buy a gun as long as your background check passes which a good hacker could set up a good background check for you.

Since the beginning of this debate I have never been against rational responsible people buying or owning guns.
If you are for these so am I

I am against irrational irresponsible people buying and owning guns .
If you are for this I AM NOT.

If you are for irrational , irresponsible, people, people on medication for depression or for bi polar disorder mentally disturbed people to have the right to buy and keep guns?
We have no more to discuss good day., goodbye and good luck:peace
 
Then we agree to disagree, for one can be free and not be happy ask the homeless in America, ask the unemployed.
Yet one can be happy and not be free.

Freedom comes from what you have
Happiness comes from who you are.:peace
What are we agreeing to disagree on?
 
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