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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I work in a place that has secured entrances, including bullet resistant glass and armed police officers....and there are no young lives being protected there. There was some security at the school, but it failed. There was obviously an inadequate response to the breakdown in security. Taking guns away from the general public is not going to stop this senseless violence, so we should be looking at how to mitigate it, deter it, and respond to it in a manner which reduces the risk to the lives of the innocent.
    Read that post again , not taking guns away from the general public , just taking guns away from people who shouldn't have guns to begin with.
    There are many responsible citizens in America that have guns, and they do not wind up at a crime scene of a homicide victim, but those that do ... WHY?
    Example if a person just got out of a straight jacket from a mental institution should he or she have a gun???

    As far as responding to a gun fired situation , how long does it take to pull a trigger on a gun?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I work in a place that has secured entrances, including bullet resistant glass and armed police officers....and there are no young lives being protected there. There was some security at the school, but it failed. There was obviously an inadequate response to the breakdown in security. Taking guns away from the general public is not going to stop this senseless violence, so we should be looking at how to mitigate it, deter it, and respond to it in a manner which reduces the risk to the lives of the innocent.
    Sorry not every body works or goes to school in such an envirorment.

    "we should be looking at this or that mitigate,deter, respond."

    How come everytime innocent people and kids get killed by somebody that just happens to get their hands on a gun through legal meathods, or buys a gun, it's the same song different tune.
    Ask about gun control and how these nuts are getting guns it's the old deter, respond look into it.

    Some nut either had easy access to a gun or a nut bought one legally.
    Either case it is irresponsible and it caused innocent people lives.

    Question; should guns only be owned by honest, responsible people yes or no?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Instead of taking the high road and think of the children as you preached, you go on and talk about security being the problem. I can't believe I have to explain this.
    I'm not preaching about anything, I simply posted the names of the victims, to which another poster has a problem with. Security is a problem, one more worthy of discussion, in my view, than gun control, for or against.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Sorry not every body works or goes to school in such an envirorment.
    Exactly, and that is an easy fix.

    "we should be looking at this or that mitigate,deter, respond."

    How come everytime innocent people and kids get killed by somebody that just happens to get their hands on a gun through legal meathods, or buys a gun, it's the same song different tune.
    Ask about gun control and how these nuts are getting guns it's the old deter, respond look into it.

    Some nut either had easy access to a gun or a nut bought one legally.
    Either case it is irresponsible and it caused innocent people lives.
    You can't regulate away crazy. If not a gun, then a homemade bomb, a chainsaw, a kitchen knife.

    Question; should guns only be owned by honest, responsible people yes or no?
    If they were, less people would want them. They're not, so honest responsible people want to protect themselves. This incident is proof that the police (with guns) can not be everywhere or respond fast enough.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Read that post again , not taking guns away from the general public , just taking guns away from people who shouldn't have guns to begin with.
    There are many responsible citizens in America that have guns, and they do not wind up at a crime scene of a homicide victim, but those that do ... WHY?
    Example if a person just got out of a straight jacket from a mental institution should he or she have a gun???
    No, probably not, but how far into someone's privacy are you willing to go to keep them from their constitutional rights? In this case, you have to violate the right to privacy in order to bar the right to keep and bear arms.

    As far as responding to a gun fired situation , how long does it take to pull a trigger on a gun?
    Less time than it takes the police to respond. But you can install stronger doors, windows, and put in place an armed response team.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Exactly, and that is an easy fix.



    You can't regulate away crazy. If not a gun, then a homemade bomb, a chainsaw, a kitchen knife.



    If they were, less people would want them. They're not, so honest responsible people want to protect themselves. This incident is proof that the police (with guns) can not be everywhere or respond fast enough.
    The NRA said "easy fix" after Columbine , Virginia tech, the little girl that got shot in Flint Aurura, and here we are????

    If a crazy person has a bomb a knife and a sig and a glock and a 223 if you removed the 3 guns could you not concentrate more on the bomb and the knife .
    A bomb can not be bought legally a knife you can either throw or get up close in which a chair good be a good weapon against a knife, not against a gun though..

    I did not say honest responsible people should not be able to buy guns I said nuts should not be accessable to a gun nor be able to buy one

    So you buy a gun to protect yourself from nuts buying guns?
    Am I missing something here?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, probably not, but how far into someone's privacy are you willing to go to keep them from their constitutional rights? In this case, you have to violate the right to privacy in order to bar the right to keep and bear arms.



    Less time than it takes the police to respond. But you can install stronger doors, windows, and put in place an armed response team.

    Privacy???
    What of the 26 people lieing dead in Conn.
    Did they not have rights as well, THE RIGHT TO LIVE.

    Why should America have to do that?
    Just so the NRA can have another member , just so some nut that wants to buy a gun won't get his feelings hurt.
    Who is the victims here people who don't want any gun control or the innocent victims that are the result of less gun control cause the real victims can't talk.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I can think of three nearby incidents off the top of my head where someone used a gun to defend themselves--a domestic abuse situation involving a drunk husband with a history of violence who was actively beating her until she got her hands on a gun in a drawer; somebody who found an intruder who had broken into their child's room in the middle of the night while their child was there asleep; and a man who walked into a situation where a bunch of thugs, at least 1 with a gun, were breaking into his closed business and then came after him when he showed up by coincidence. In which of those situations would you have just let the bad guys have their way when there was no apparent escape from the situation possible?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Privacy???
    What of the 26 people lieing dead in Conn.
    Did they not have rights as well, THE RIGHT TO LIVE.
    It's not up to me, buddy. Protected rights are hard to get around.

    Why should America have to do that?
    Just so the NRA can have another member , just so some nut that wants to buy a gun won't get his feelings hurt.
    Who is the victims here people who don't want any gun control or the innocent victims that are the result of less gun control cause the real victims can't talk.
    The NRA didn't write the Constitution.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Privacy???
    What of the 26 people lieing dead in Conn.
    Did they not have rights as well, THE RIGHT TO LIVE.

    As I recall, a lot of people put certain rights to privacy/etc over the rights of little children to live, now. Roe v Wade.

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