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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The biggest issue here should be how the shooter got access to the children. He should have never been in the school to begin with. Taking away guns, or giving people more guns is less important than examining the breakdown in security.
    Oh really ? That should be the "biggest issue" ? If he is intent on killing folks, shooting out the glass next to the door, or in the door, is not a "breakdown in security".

    Wow !! We have now solved the "biggest issue" !!!

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, until we find a way to address the moral decay that seems to be gripping a large segment of our populace, I don't think any law will prevent this sort of thing. If people bent on breaking the law can get drugs, they can get guns. But if we want to "do something" that might actually stop someone bent on committing an act like this, we can start by chucking the concept of "gun free zones" in which the only people with guns are the crazies and giving teachers and administrators the option to arm themselves after they've received thorough professional training. Even with cops coming in with guns blazing, by the time they arrive people will be dead. As long as schools are easy pickings, you can bet your sweet bippy they'll continue to get picked by people who are bent on making a statement before they check out.
    American mentality is mostly much different than the rest of the world. And please do not take it as a criticism because it's not. I will never in a million years understand the American love of the gun. Frankly, I think it has a lot to do with your history and I do accept that it's just the way it is. But I do want to say the following, and I hope you take it to heart. Compared to most other civilized countries in the world, death by gunshot is a statistic that Americans should not be proud of. And if you think it has to do with "moral decency," this has been going on for a very long time. Like you healthcare, please try not to make things more difficult than they should be.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    this carnage points to the importance of death penalty..



    26 reported killed in Newtown, Conn., school shooting

    NEWTOWN, Conn. -- A lone gunman killed 26 people at an elementary school here, including 18 children, in a terrifying early Friday morning shooting spree.

    The Associated Press and local media reported the shooter, a 24-year-old male identified by CNN as Ryan Lanza, was also dead inside Sandy Hook Elementary School. A second person was in custody and undergoing questioning. At least three weapons were recovered at the scene, including a .223-caliber assault rifle and two semi-automatic handguns.

    Mayor Mark Boughton said several victims had been taken to local hospitals.

    Groups of students some crying, some holding hands were escorted from the school by teachers. Some witnesses reported of up to 100 shots. There were unconfirmed reports that the assailant, dressed in military style assault gear, shot most of the victims in a kindergarten classroom.
    I agree with you, and I can only feel sadness at the day a man with guns walks into a school and kills children.

    In America the land of the free , the land of opportunity, this should never have happened..
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    American mentality is mostly much different than the rest of the world. And please do not take it as a criticism because it's not. I will never in a million years understand the American love of the gun. Frankly, I think it has a lot to do with your history and I do accept that it's just the way it is. But I do want to say the following, and I hope you take it to heart. Compared to most other civilized countries in the world, death by gunshot is a statistic that Americans should not be proud of. And if you think it has to do with "moral decency," this has been going on for a very long time. Like you healthcare, please try not to make things more difficult than they should be.
    This is a perverted misconception of our "American mentality" used by liberals or those opposed to guns. It's intent is to paint gun supporters in a negative light for the sole purpose of implementing stricter gun control laws. Propaganda, if you will. Guns are nothing but a tool, neither good or evil.

    To put it clearly:

    Americans LOVE Freedom, and USE guns to protect it.

    -NOT-

    Americans USE Freedom, to protect our LOVE of guns.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I've scanned the post of this thread.
    The children lost , the teachers sacrifice, the parents and families who lost a love one
    All should be taken in consideration as well as the law inforcement agencies who did and are doing their best.

    However when gun control is mentioned it's the old anti-gun nuts , or from my cold dead hands or when people can't buy guns only crooks will have guns.
    VIRGINIA TECH, COLLEGE students shot by a gunmen who bought guns at a pawn shop legally
    Aurora Col. people shot in a theater by a gunmen with guns and ammunition bought.legally
    Conn. an elementary school children shot by gunmen with guns from his house bought legally

    I for one am not asking for the dismissal of the 2nd amendment or for society to give up their guns.
    The right to bear arms is an American tradition, if I'm not mistaken responsibility and common sense should fit in there somewhere.

    However I as a person could not buy plutonium why because society would not trust me with it.
    I could not buy a tank and park it in my driveway, why, because society would not trust me with it.
    In short I could not be responsible enough to keep plutonium nor responsible enough to keep a tank.

    Perhaps these gun merchants should check more carefully who they are selling guns to?
    Perhaps gun owners should be responsible to where their gun winds up?
    For some are not responsible enough to own a gun without innocent people being killed.

    If you sell guns you should be responsible for who buys it.

    If you want to buy a gun you should be responsible for it.

    If I let my 14 year old grandson drive my car and he crashes into a police car, who do you think they will question?

    When I apply for my drivers license if I am drunk do you think I would get it?

    My point is if you are old enough to buy a gun, you should at least have responsibility, at least be responsible enough to keep innocents out of harms way.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Oh really ? That should be the "biggest issue" ? If he is intent on killing folks, shooting out the glass next to the door, or in the door, is not a "breakdown in security".

    Wow !! We have now solved the "biggest issue" !!!
    I work in a place that has secured entrances, including bullet resistant glass and armed police officers....and there are no young lives being protected there. There was some security at the school, but it failed. There was obviously an inadequate response to the breakdown in security. Taking guns away from the general public is not going to stop this senseless violence, so we should be looking at how to mitigate it, deter it, and respond to it in a manner which reduces the risk to the lives of the innocent.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You have no clue what I am concerned about.
    Oh, I have a clue.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Then, 2 minutes later:



    So you condescendingly preach that the mere mention of gun control is a poor refection on the memory of these young children, yet 2 minutes later, you go on about how security is too lax and need to be addressed.

    Talk about owning yourself.
    I'm not making this a pro-gun or anti-gun issue. How did I own myself?

    But I digress. This morning, one of the parents of one of the children that was brutally murdered by gunshot, through tears, talked about the need for Americans to take action and do something to prevent anther shooting tragedy. Are you prepared to call him a nut? Uncaring? Insincere?
    I'm not calling him a nut, no. If anyone has reason to be outraged it's those that lost their children. Not those afraid of losing their guns, though I'm certainly not calling for that.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It was reported he broke into the school by smashing a window. It's kind of hard to protect children from someone willing to go that far unless you want to lock the kids up in a prison with bars over the windows and an electrified perimeter.
    Perhaps, but the entrance could be secured, "relatively" cheaply, enough to prevent that form of entry from being possible. I think that if this incident shows us anything it's that this could happen anywhere, and every school should be alert, protected, and ready to respond to someone bent on such a horrific act.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not making this a pro-gun or anti-gun issue. How did I own myself?



    I'm not calling him a nut, no. If anyone has reason to be outraged it's those that lost their children. Not those afraid of losing their guns, though I'm certainly not calling for that.
    Instead of taking the high road and think of the children as you preached, you go on and talk about security being the problem. I can't believe I have to explain this.
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