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26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

4 don't measure up to 26 dead., and all 50 states not just Connecticut.:peace

Are you telling me there is no possible way for guns to have a strickter gun control on the sales of guns?

What of the freedom of the 26 dead in Conn?
Did they not have the freedom to live.:peace

The proposed gun control would not have stopped the massacre in CT. Spare me the pseudo-stupid comparisons.
 
Additionally, he's assuming that this person going hunting with an AK47 is going to magdump into the hunted animal.

Which would be stupid and probably fail.

Then why are these weapons available to the public???:peace
 
If known drug dealers move into a house next to a school why would it be anybody's business.

If known child molestors got a job a coaching PHYS ED and counciling at your kids school would it become your business?

Is society to just keep turning a blind eye, because sooner or later this stuff that society keeps turning a blind eye to will land on every American's door again and again including your's, my friend.:peace

Yes, those topics are all certainly related to the right to keep and bear arms :roll:

Let me know when you wish to keep your arguments on target.
 
Ah, not the old "FREEDOM AIN'T FREE SPEECH" MAN THAT'S ANCIENT.

I can not speak for others who ask for stronger gun control but I ALREADY KNOW THAT FREEDOM AIN'T FREE.
ANY VETERAN OR THOSE IN MILITARY SERVICE CAN TELL YOU THAT.
The sacrifices for freedom have been many and dear to any REAL AMERICAN.
However asking for a tougher gun control in society is too big a sacrifice for some?


What that has to do with killing innocent people cause it's easier to buy a gun I have no idea.
What that has to do with the killings at Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech, or the 20 6 yr olds in Conn., that I do not know?

What saying "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE;" has to do with asking for stronger and stiffer gun control, that I do not know?

6 year old children have nothing to do with the defence of Freedom.:peace

It's merely a statement of fact. Sorry if you don't like reality. But free is dangerous. Always has been, always will be.
 
Ah, not the old "FREEDOM AIN'T FREE SPEECH" MAN THAT'S ANCIENT.

I can not speak for others who ask for stronger gun control but I ALREADY KNOW THAT FREEDOM AIN'T FREE.
ANY VETERAN OR THOSE IN MILITARY SERVICE CAN TELL YOU THAT.
The sacrifices for freedom have been many and dear to any REAL AMERICAN.
However asking for a tougher gun control in society is too big a sacrifice for some?


What that has to do with killing innocent people cause it's easier to buy a gun I have no idea.
What that has to do with the killings at Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech, or the 20 6 yr olds in Conn., that I do not know?

What saying "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE;" has to do with asking for stronger and stiffer gun control, that I do not know?

6 year old children have nothing to do with the defence of Freedom.:peace


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The difference? Both could have children of their own one day if you don't kill them.

It's disgusting that you've convinced yourself that there's a difference.

I've got 3 kids, I know there's a difference between a first grader and a fetus.

And I love them for the awesome kids that they are, not for their future reproductive capacity.
 
Heard from the NRA lately?
No and you won't for awhile college students is one thing, movie goers is another even teenagers maybe , but 6 year olds , this ain't gonna slide that easy there's a lot of angry people out here and they ain't gun owners,

Actually, I heard a comment from them today. They've said the had no intention of making political issues more important than the grieving of parents.

What am I a secretary, anyway youv;e questioned every statement I've made I've answered.

Already been suggested and rejected by you stiffer gun control stronger background checks.:peace

You can make it as stiff as you like, they're not going to find what isn't there. Besides, gun control doesn't reduce crime. Gun control doesn't stop massacres....it's the straw man of straw men. If it did, I'd be all for it.
 
Because mentally ill people usually don't have a high credit score.

See, now that you'd need to substantiate.

Exactly my point, thank you.
Question do you believe that every person that bought a gun leagally would pass a security clearence, think hard now.

Actually, yes, assuming their credit were ok and they had no foreign relations/business dealings.

The Virginia Tech murderer had an arrest record yet he bought 2 glocks from a pawn shop.

If he's not a felon, he can buy what he wants.

If a person buys a gun who should be responsible for where that gun winds up?:peace

The person that bought it is responsible for it, unless it is stolen from them.
 
Then why are these weapons available to the public???:peace
In short, because 2nd Amendment.

And I think you misinterpreted my post - It is likely quite possible to hunt with an AK-47 if you so desired, but likely few people do because such weapons are overkill for that purpose. My response was because your post appeared to assume that a hunter hunting with an AK-47 by default was using the weapon because it had a large mag and could fire automatically. Didn't follow logically so far as I could tell.
 
So its folks let out of Instutions who are committing these crimes ....... oh wait !

Can you show us any of these folks who would have been institutionalized in the days of such as .... President Carter ?
I'm guessing that most of those folks released from mental institutions back in the 1980s either died of exposure, violence, suicide or ended up in the prison system by now. Oh wait, what about todays mentally ill? Where do you think they are?

Actually, its the decay of the family.
I don't know about yours, but my family is doing just fine.

We've had guns since our founding. Fast-loading ones for over a century. But the mass-killings by bullets are pretty much in the last twenty years.
Oh, you noticed.

Has conservatism been the driver behind the decay of the family ?
Personally, I don't think it's the decay of the family per se. I think some people are just genetically predisposed to have mental problems. For instance, Adam Lanza suffered from asperger syndrome aka autistism.

Further, and frankly, and unfortunately, these killers exist in the virtual world of the internet. In peer groups they could not likely find, much less sustain, if not for the modern communication age.
I have no idea what your talking about here.

It ain't the guns. And you have made no argument that its conservatism, while all arrows point to liberal trash.
Lanza wouldn't have easy access to guns if his mother didn't have them in the home.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest that cutting federal funding for mental institutions and facitlities led us down this road to mass killings by the mentally ill.

Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill: <br>Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy

Read more: Deinstitutionalization - causes, effects, therapy, person, people, health, Definition, History

Where did Deinstitutionalized Mental Patients Go? MENTAL ILLNESS POLICY ORG.

Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill:
 
In short, because 2nd Amendment.

And I think you misinterpreted my post - It is likely quite possible to hunt with an AK-47 if you so desired, but likely few people do because such weapons are overkill for that purpose. My response was because your post appeared to assume that a hunter hunting with an AK-47 by default was using the weapon because it had a large mag and could fire automatically. Didn't follow logically so far as I could tell.
Why the hell are we even discussing this though, this thread is not about gun control, it's about some nutcase who shot a bunch of kids and such.
 
You want a one way conversation because you think you're smarter than everyone else in the room.
 
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Then why are these weapons available to the public???:peace

Because the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting. You have participated on the Constitution Forum, and don't know this fundamental truth?
 
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More open gun laws and carry laws would cause more than those 26 to have been
killed. But rights and freedom always makes for a dangerous society. Free is not, free never has been, and free never will be safe. It's about time some of y'all beat that into your skulls.


really upset about 26 innocent victims killedwith hand guns aren't you ?

I can think of another Constitutional practice that puts that number to shame.
 
really upset about 26 innocent victims killedwith hand guns aren't you ?

I can think of another Constitutional practice that puts that number to shame.

It's a real tragedy for sure. However, this act is on those who committed it and no one else. The rights and liberties of the individual still must be upheld even in the face of tragedy.
 
I've got 3 kids, I know there's a difference between a first grader and a fetus.

And I love them for the awesome kids that they are, not for their future reproductive capacity.

The difference is about six years, buddy. Not one thing else.

The second line is so disjointed and nonsensical, I don't even know how to address it.
 
I'm guessing that most of those folks released from mental institutions back in the 1980s either died of exposure, violence, suicide or ended up in the prison system by now. Oh wait, what about todays mentally ill? Where do you think they are?

I don't know about yours, but my family is doing just fine.

Oh, you noticed.

Personally, I don't think it's the decay of the family per se. I think some people are just genetically predisposed to have mental problems. For instance, Adam Lanza suffered from asperger syndrome aka autistism.

I have no idea what your talking about here.

Lanza wouldn't have easy access to guns if his mother didn't have them in the home.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest that cutting federal funding for mental institutions and facitlities led us down this road to mass killings by the mentally ill.

Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill: <br>Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy

Read more: Deinstitutionalization - causes, effects, therapy, person, people, health, Definition, History

Where did Deinstitutionalized Mental Patients Go? MENTAL ILLNESS POLICY ORG.

Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill:

Apparently, you now see that your blaming Reagan for the school shootings was folly. Perhaps you have not read the thread much, but two of us have identified ourselves as being the parents of children with Aspergers, and a third poster has the condition themselves. It is not "aka autism", and you may want to check your spelling there :). Additionally, it has not been confirmed that Lanza had been formally diagnosed with it. From all that I know, and have read, Lanza seems to have been afflicted with far more than basic Aspergers.

As for family, etc., we are hearing that Lanza was heavily into violent video's, had been described as a goth adherent, and I suspect we will hear more about the corrupted virtual world he had descended into. We did not have issues like this 50 years ago. We had the guns then too. I would submit trying to figure out what has changed since then.

Getting back to access to mental health care, this family had 100% access. The Mom was loaded via alimony, and did not have to work either. The father was not far away, and was even more loaded. Whether they had gotten the child therapy, we do not yet know, but any notion that it could not be had because of Ronald Reagan is truly not well thought out.
 
Yes, those topics are all certainly related to the right to keep and bear arms :roll:

Let me know when you wish to keep your arguments on target.

POST 292 WHY IS IT YOUR BUSINESS.
When 20 kids get killed for going to school questions about why is it your business becomes irrelevant everything that has to do with guns becomes everybody's business just like those in the post you responded to.:peace
 
The proposed gun control would not have stopped the massacre in CT. Spare me the pseudo-stupid comparisons.

Perhaps a new gun control would have stopped the massacre in CT..

Spare me the "no matter what you do kids will still be shot by guns " BS, unless you are psycic if you are you know what I really wanted to write in response to that... post.:peace
 
It's merely a statement of fact. Sorry if you don't like reality. But free is dangerous. Always has been, always will be.

I don't mind reality.

Yes you are right free is dangerous

However freedom to learn at an elementary school or to teach at one should not have to be dangerous just so gun controls are lax just because somebody wants to buy a gun should have their privacy.:peace
 

Unfortuately, carrots didn't kill the 26 people in CT, guns did.

If however there was a E- COLI virus found in a certain batch of carrots and they were sold to the public and the store they came from knew it but sold them anyway and people got sick and died what do you think would happen to the store owner????:peace
 
Unfortuately, carrots didn't kill the 26 people in CT, guns did.

If however there was a E- COLI virus found in a certain batch of carrots and they were sold to the public and the store they came from knew it but sold them anyway and people got sick and died what do you think would happen to the store owner????:peace
No.

A nutcase killed 26 people in Newtown.

Gun (s?) were what he used to do this.

The problems I see here are:
No one in the school had a gun to shoot this guy with.
From the sounds of things, this guy needed mental help and didn't get it.
 
Actually, I heard a comment from them today. They've said the had no intention of making political issues more important than the grieving of parents.



You can make it as stiff as you like, they're not going to find what isn't there. Besides, gun control doesn't reduce crime. Gun control doesn't stop massacres....it's the straw man of straw men. If it did, I'd be all for it.

So a crazy person buys a gun leagaly kills people that's 1 crime 1 bullet
If a crazy person tries to buy a gun and because of tough gun control; can not that's 1 less crime, 1 less bullet

So how is crime not reduced?:peace
 
Because we have a constitutional right to own firearms.

The mentally ill does not have the right to purchase firearms that is not in the constitution that they do.:peace
 
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