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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Uzidoesit said:
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You are such an unmitigated asshole. Take your gun and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Uzidoesit said:
You are a moron...calling ME an accessory to the murder of these kids??? My hands are bloody? My hands who never touched a gun, except a musket at Ft. Ticonderoga????

Where's a moderator when you need one???
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Uzidoesit said:
You are an idiot.
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I wouldn't be so much in a hurry to get a moderator in here, with these posts.
 
vendur said:
You'd need a real heavy duty one. Your typical "gun safe" can be easily busted apart with simply a ballpeen hammer. But it's nonsense anyway, as he got the combination anyway. The kids an honors student. how many brain cells do you need to do a "mom, there is someone trying to break into house... combination please..."
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you are speculating. "the typical gun safe" I have costs about 2200 dollars and takes about an hour to break into. and of course if you use a torch on the wrong one you could end up blowing up 4000 rounds of 7.62 NATO Quad which would ruin your whole day. plus, me, my kid or the wife would probably cut you to ribbons with a 12 bore while you are drilling on the safe since they are all connected to a wireless state of the art alarm system
 
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If you can afford guns you should be required to have a safe place to keep them in. Is that asking too much in this day and age?
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I have four big ones like that. one has an electronic lock. some guns are merely stored in the basement in their cases (the basement is within the alarmed perimeter) since my son is 14 and well trained in weapons. but the heavy duty stuff-FALs, MIAI, M21, UZI, Beretta AR 70, STEYR AUG, and the shotguns I used when I competed internationally (K-80 ISU Skeet guns) are all in heavy duty fireproof safes.
 
clownboy said:
Dream on. Never even been near a safe have ya?
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LOL. My unle used to own/run an auction business. And all the time some old person dies and along with it the comb to the safe(s). I'm sure I've busted more open than you have ever seen in real life.
 
hawke812 said:
And yet mass shootings continue to occur in "safe areas":lol:
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Gun shops and ranges never get held up during business hours. If you ever saw Chuck Norris's film about corrupt cops-I believe it was called code of silence, a bunch of cops are in a bar for a retirement party or something and two tweakers come in and announce a hold up only to have about 15 people stick 38 snubbies in their faces
 
Moderator's Warning:
Okay. That's enough personal attacks out of everyone.

That includes accusing each other of having "blood on their hands" because of their political views or for any other reason. Nobody on this forum killed a classroom full of children, and we are not about to start tolerating accusations to the contrary.
 
Uzidoesit said:
You are a moron...calling ME an accessory to the murder of these kids??? My hands are bloody? My hands who never touched a gun, except a musket at Ft. Ticonderoga????

Where's a moderator when you need one???
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I didn't call you personally anything. The You in the last line is a qualified general use of the word, targeted at all gun haters, not you specifically. It is not a personal attack, since you (and yes I mean you as in Uzidoesit) decide whether you qualify or not, not me.

My apologies if that caused confusion. It was not my intent to attack you personally.
 
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vendur said:
LOL. My unle used to own/run an auction business. And all the time some old person dies and along with it the comb to the safe(s). I'm sure I've busted more open than you have ever seen in real life.
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Nice try kiddo. Those little paper safes you probably saw on one of those storage locker TV shows are not gun safes. I've done my share of auction buying over the years, all you have to do to open the paper safes is to drop them on their corner with some force. Gun safes aren't near that easy to breach.
 
clownboy said:
Nice try kiddo. Those little paper safes you probably saw on one of those storage locker TV shows are not gun safes. I've done my share of auction buying over the years, all you have to do to open the paper safes is to drop them on their corner with some force. Gun safes aren't near that easy to breach.
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Ya, everyone with common sense buys safes that are worth more than what they have inside them. Safes aren't secure in the least. All they do is slow someone down. This kid would have had at least 24 hours to do whatever he wanted after he offed his mom.
 
jakiejakester said:
That sounds like an eye for an eye and there are UNCIVILIZED countries that cut off the hand of a thief, the genitals of a woman who has pre-marital sex (or even who gets raped) etc. Your idea is such a slippery slope and it does promote mob violence. To me you're asking us to go back to the Middle Ages to punish crimes. Needless to say your suggestion will never, ever even be discussed in any serious government discussion on the penal system, thank God.
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Well that aint eye for an eye is it? Also, please change your lean from liberal to something else. Tired of infiltrators pretending to be for liberalism.

jakiejakester said:
I've never been so bored that I thought going to shoot guns would be more fun than anything else I could come up with to pass the time.
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You have such a liberal attitude. /sarcasm With your stances on guncontrol and getting to chose for other people you sound like a closet conservative.

hawke812 said:
Guns are being taken away from the people who need to have them.

The tactic of disarming law abiding citizens and employing "gun safe zones" will only lead to more mass shootings, like the one yesterday.

Take for example the shooters mother. She owned those guns legally. Well guess what, she was disarmed by YOUR GUN CONTROL laws. Guess what happened?

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If that sign was up chances are they would have to move on to retirement homes.
 
DVSentinel said:
Yep, focus on the tool, not the person.

Tell me, how exactly are you going to take away those guns? I own several, you are welcome to come try to take them away, but I warn you before hand, I will defend my right to keep them. Unfortunately for you fantasy of getting rid of them, there are approximately 100 million or more of us who own them and will fight to keep them. So how exactly do you plan to accomplish such a feat? Use the military? One, they are prohibited by law from performing law enforcement inside the US. Two, how many of them are gun owners who will fight to keep them?

How many of those murders were committed with guns obtained illegally? How many would of occurred if the victims were armed and able to defend themselves? What was the occurrence rate of such crimes when most of America was armed vs the occurrence rates after gun laws came into affect? How many of those countries had our level of ownership and successfully took them away? How will people defend themselves if guns are taken made illegal? What exactly are the chances of pushing through a constitutional amendment that would be necessary even to bring about such laws? How is that so many liberals think they can bring the absolution of guns in America without a Revolution/Civil War occurring?
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So you're saying that if laws are changed regarding gun ownership that you disagree with you will use your gun illegally to shoot people if the law requires you to forfeit your weapon? Am I understanding your post properly? If a police officer came to confiscate your gun(s) you will shoot and kill him so you can keep your guns?
 
j-mac said:
I think that both sides have a hard time understanding the other. And, in light of what we have in control of power in DC these days, I am not so sure that civil war isn't what they want.
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Surely you can't believe in anyway what you wrote? Come on! You wrote that President Obama / Democrats want to start a Civil War?

I cannot take anyone's posts seriously who would actually profess to believe that in 2012 America the leaders of our nation are secretly for Civil War. That is beyond even the wildest conspiracy theories I've almost ever read.
 
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jakiejakester said:
If a police officer came to confiscate your gun(s) you will shoot and kill him so you can keep your guns?
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So I could keep my rights. You understand the concept of rights, don't you?

They're worth fighting for.
 
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jakiejakester said:
So you're saying that if laws are changed regarding gun ownership that you disagree with you will use your gun illegally to shoot people if the law requires you to forfeit your weapon? Am I understanding your post properly? If a police officer came to confiscate your gun(s) you will shoot and kill him so you can keep your guns?
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The Constitution grants ownership of weapons. Without a Constitutional amendment, it is not legal to pass laws taking peoples guns away without there being a specific cause, such as mental defect or conviction of a felony. Further, the Constitution prohibits, Ex Post Facto laws, meaning any law can only be carried forward, it cannot be back dated, therefore anyone already owning guns prior to the passing of said law would still be allowed ownership. Therefore, any law demanding the seizure of legally owned guns would be illegal and unconstitutional. So, how can it be considered illegal to stand up against the enforcement of illegal and unconstitutional law?

No, I would do it for others to have legal ownership. I don't expect to personally survive the experience should such circumstances ever occur. They may in the future, but I don't see them occurring during my lifetime. One reason I don't believe so is that due to the question of constitutionality, any such law would immediately have an injunction placed against it prior to it being enforced and that it would only be lifted once the Supreme Court has ruled. I would probably, with the exception of my personal defense gun, hide all others to avoid their confiscation until the Supreme Court has ruled.

I have in the past given an oath that I still try to live by, that being "to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic". It is every citizens right, I would say duty, to support and defend the constitution. If constitutional amendments were somehow made that striped away not only the Right to Bear arms but also preventing Ex Post Facto, then I would either fight, if I was able or leave. I could not be part of any society that would allow Ex Post Facto law to exist.
 
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vendur said:
Ya, everyone with common sense buys safes that are worth more than what they have inside them. Safes aren't secure in the least. All they do is slow someone down. This kid would have had at least 24 hours to do whatever he wanted after he offed his mom.
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Maybe gun-haters should require everyone to do what my father-in-law did. His house has a concrete stairway going into his finished basement. He built a room underneath it. Three walls of concrete, a steel door and the whole thing hidden behind paneling. Room enough for his 30 or so firearms. If you didn't know it was there you'd never find it and if you found it, you'd have a hell of a time getting into it. But then, he's a carpenter and he did most of the work building the house. Didn't cost him much extra but his own labor.

The gun-haters would probably be comfortable requiring all houses to cost thousands more...just in case someone wanted to buy a gun.
 
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Yuck, this thread is terrible. I was hoping more would come out of this tragedy than partisan politics and the usual political hackery. I guess not.
 
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There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
 
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Evenstar said:
Yuck, this thread is terrible. I was hoping more would come out of this tragedy than partisan politics and the usual political hackery. I guess not.
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It started out good, but then the gun haters started in. Some of us resisted them, but now it's all theirs.

It's really a shame, isn't it?
 
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KevinKohler said:
There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
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As we've seen all over the internet and the mainstream media...yes, it's too much for them.
 
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KevinKohler said:
There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
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Ya.. those parents are really trolling through these forums. This is a political forum and this is a political issue (among other things). Just because you can get mad at people doesn't make you a better person. Are you going to send any victims a condolence or is your homage lip service only?
 
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