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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Got to wait for a tragedy like this before expediting on reforms?

In a statement released Friday afternoon, Bloomberg noted that Obama rightly sent his condolences to the families in Newtown, but urged the president to immediately introduce reforms that would create more restrictions around gun control. He is the co-chair of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition of more than 600 mayors who support gun control initiatives, through which he issued the statement.

Michael Bloomberg: Gun Control Needs 'Immediate Action' From Obama In Wake Of School Shooting
 
I haven't lived a very long life, but this is one of the most wretched and horrid tragedies that I know of. If there is a 2nd gunman (and it seems that there is), I think we need to make an exception in his case and give him the death penalty.
 
Simple.
Their position on guns is not at all motivated by a concern for public safety.

I disagree 100% and believe the opposite is true. I wonder why people who are pro-gun are so violently opposed to discussing any form of gun control? Surely there's a middle ground that allows people to legally possess a weapon but is part of a system that also takes guns out of the hands of some of the crazies who abuse the privilege to own one?
 
In other words you're for feeding the mob frenzy when a majority of people get really angry? I don't get my rocks off finding the most intense ways to kill people. Your post suggests that you would find satisfaction in making masses of people gather together to celebrate the most violent possible way to kill someone. That is very disturbing to me.

So do you want to turn your head or say "everybody makes mistakes" with this type of crap? For someone who shoots a bunch of innocent children, you're damn right I have no problem with a mass of people giving the shooter what they deserve. Heck, even in this case where the shooter is dead, he should be hung outside like a piñata for the fathers to take a baseball bat to.
 
This sort of child massacres happened during Serbian occupation of Dardania in 1999. To think that the same would happen to a civilized country as well seems very unsettling!

This is not the first time shootings occur in schools neither. What is it with USA and School shootings anyway!?

You mean it has happened in a civilized countries as well? I guess that is true; it happened in Norway about a year ago and in Scotland.
 
So do you want to turn your head or say "everybody makes mistakes" with this type of crap? For someone who shoots a bunch of innocent children, you're damn right I have no problem with a mass of people giving the shooter what they deserve. Heck, even in this case where the shooter is dead, he should be hung outside like a piñata for the fathers to take a baseball bat to.

Fortunately our society is civilized enough to not react with ultra violence in response to mass murders. No one is suggesting that the killer should not be punished "TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW" but not to the "FULLEST EXTENT OF THE MOB."
 
Fortunately our society is civilized enough to not react with ultra violence in response to mass murders. No one is suggesting that the killer should not be punished "TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW" but not to the "FULLEST EXTENT OF THE MOB."

IMO, "the fullest extent of the law" from the laws currently in place amounts to a ***** slap on the wrist instead of a punch in the face by the iron fist of justice.
 
IMO, "the fullest extent of the law" from the laws currently in place amounts to a ***** slap on the wrist instead of a punch in the face by the iron fist of justice.
It's certainly your right to disagree with the laws in place just as it is OK for me to disagree with you that extreme mob violence is a solution to anything at anytime for any reason. Civilization does not advance with anarchism which is what you're suggesting.
 
Although all the children lived, there is something inside some people that leads them to attack children. 22 children slashed with a knife in China. There are stories like this all over the world all the time now. What is inside some men that lead them to attack children?

In China, victims in school attack survive - latimes.com
 
It's certainly your right to disagree with the laws in place just as it is OK for me to disagree with you that extreme mob violence is a solution to anything at anytime for any reason. Civilization does not advance with anarchism which is what you're suggesting.

No, anarchism is not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting a justice system which actually implements punishments which fit the crimes. Just like decisions of a suspect repaying money they stole from a victim, rapists should get a metal pipe up their rear ends, assault offenders should take free shots from their victims and murderers should be killed by the loved ones of the victims.
 
No, anarchism is not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting a justice system which actually implements punishments which fit the crimes. Just like decisions of a suspect repaying money they stole from a victim, rapists should get a metal pipe up their rear ends, assault offenders should take free shots from their victims and murderers should be killed by the loved ones of the victims.
That sounds like an eye for an eye and there are UNCIVILIZED countries that cut off the hand of a thief, the genitals of a woman who has pre-marital sex (or even who gets raped) etc. Your idea is such a slippery slope and it does promote mob violence. To me you're asking us to go back to the Middle Ages to punish crimes. Needless to say your suggestion will never, ever even be discussed in any serious government discussion on the penal system, thank God.
 
Although all the children lived, there is something inside some people that leads them to attack children. 22 children slashed with a knife in China. There are stories like this all over the world all the time now. What is inside some men that lead them to attack children?

In China, victims in school attack survive - latimes.com

In China, the motives were anger at society from what I read. People are angry. And they are taking their anger out on the most helpless victims in society.
 
National news?

This is international news. And the one question that people around the world wonder is 'why does this go on in the U.S. all the time? There is something about American society that makes these occurances common place in the USA. Something like this seems to happen in the world, outside the U.S. about every 2 or 3 years. Within the U.S. it seems it happens 2-3 times a year. ( I am not sure what the actual numbers are, but I am sure they can be obtained)

Surely the first step is to try to determine what is it, in American society, that makes these tradegies occur so regularly.
Maybe its the guns culture, maybe its the obsession with violence, maybe its because the media and the politics are so fear driven.

The reason needs to be determined first. Then a thoughtful discussion can be taken with regards to steps that can or should, be taken.
**** like this happens in other countries more often than you would think.


**** like this just doesn't get REPORTED coming out of other countries all that often.


I heard on Nightline that this is the 13th such incident since Columbine.

Imagine that......

Do you think Columbine kicked off crazy? No. It did however, allow crazy people to see that the results of their craziness can be seen around the world... making their loser asses famous.
 
Your solution is to turn off the tv and imagine your own world? Why are you even posting on here if this is your train of thought?

Did I say turn the TV off and imagine your own world??

Please, if you could be so kind as to point to where I claimed one should imagine their own world......



*******!!!!
 
I've never been so bored that I thought going to shoot guns would be more fun than anything else I could come up with to pass the time.

And that is you........ a New York City liberal.

I imagine you have to drive ****ing hours to find a place to shoot a gun anyways.

Thats why I hate places like New York ****ty
 
Imagine that......

Do you think Columbine kicked off crazy? No. It did however, allow crazy people to see that the results of their craziness can be seen around the world... making their loser asses famous.

shrug...

I don't know. Maybe...maybe not.

Anyway...I was just providing information.
 
And that is you........ a New York City liberal.

I imagine you have to drive ****ing hours to find a place to shoot a gun anyways.

Thats why I hate places like New York ****ty

I like how open minded you are about NYC and it's residents. Funny how some people think New Yorkers have a bad reputation when it's the people who criticize us with cliched generalizations who are the real haters.
 
Perhaps already discussed, but it is a long thread, and I only went through about the last 100 posts.

CT has the fourth most stringent gun laws in the country. Regardless, the slain Mother might have seemed responsible by any measure to the authorities, and all indictions are that she had all the proper permits, etc. But she also had an adult-aged son in the house who had some degree of known mental disorder before this incident. Who apparently had access to her guns, even if it meant he knew where Mom hid the key, if she secured them at all. In hindsight, that seems such poor judgement on her part. I believe that there are many who choose not to own a gun precisely because there is some instability in the household, in that while they trust themselves, they know that all in the household are not equally stable.

I do not know the simple solution.
 
You mean people like the principal of the school who did all she could to keep the children safe?

Yeah, we're just a nation of wussies.....:roll:

No. I mean like giving consideration to one of the adults in the school being armed in some way. It is not that the Principal "did all she could". Its that all she could do was not going to deter an armed intruder from exacting extreme mayhem.
 
I like how open minded you are about NYC and it's residents. Funny how some people think New Yorkers have a bad reputation when it's the people who criticize us with cliched generalizations who are the real haters.

What have I generalized?

I claimed that was YOU who didn't want to go shoot guns.
I then noted you were a liberal (your profile here says you are) from New York City.

I then noted that New York City, with all its "guns are bad, mmmmkay" laws probably doesn't have a gun range open to the public for man miles outside the city limits.

I then noted I hate places like New York ****y because of the clutter and stupid laws.
 
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These are the facts - enough about guns not being a major contributor to gun murders!

Yep, focus on the tool, not the person.

Tell me, how exactly are you going to take away those guns? I own several, you are welcome to come try to take them away, but I warn you before hand, I will defend my right to keep them. Unfortunately for you fantasy of getting rid of them, there are approximately 100 million or more of us who own them and will fight to keep them. So how exactly do you plan to accomplish such a feat? Use the military? One, they are prohibited by law from performing law enforcement inside the US. Two, how many of them are gun owners who will fight to keep them?

How many of those murders were committed with guns obtained illegally? How many would of occurred if the victims were armed and able to defend themselves? What was the occurrence rate of such crimes when most of America was armed vs the occurrence rates after gun laws came into affect? How many of those countries had our level of ownership and successfully took them away? How will people defend themselves if guns are taken made illegal? What exactly are the chances of pushing through a constitutional amendment that would be necessary even to bring about such laws? How is that so many liberals think they can bring the absolution of guns in America without a Revolution/Civil War occurring?
 
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