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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

notquiteright said:
Typical right wing whine that is asked no question to be responded to, just nonsense spouted out without thought or reason...
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Okay. I've given you plenty of opportunity to post a cogent response, but evidently it's not in the realm of your abilities.

As I've ended up saying to you and your ilk many times before:

You are dismissed.
 
Cilogy said:
True, and though it's terrible that even the principal was killed, that school disctrict is probably gonna get a lot of flack for this, and I almost think they deserve to.
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My Tommy is telling me that in Chicago, at one particular school we have family at, they have over a dozen armed security guards and two full-time police officers. (This school is in a dangerous area...joke, because this one certainly wasn't.) They also have metal detectors. Oh! And each classroom is locked down.

That's certainly a good start -- the classroom lock-down part. With doors that, you know, can actually keep people out. Emergency buttons in every classroom going right to the police department . . . these things have got to be looked at -- and things have got to change.
 
hawke812 said:
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.". - William S. Burroughs
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William S. Burroughs shot his wife by 'accident' at a party in Texas then ran to Mexico to avoid prosecution.
 
Saboteur said:
What do you do with your gun? Use it for a hammer? a Light switch? Back scratcher? Visual/tactile stimulation?
Listen buddy, I've witnessed the murder of an innocent bystander who was the 22 year old mother of two. At least 3 lives were ruined and I can't get the image of a woman being shot in the face out of my mind because of your precious right to own a tool of destruction so you can feel 'safe' or 'tough' or whatever it does for you.

Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone because they wanted to when they bought the infernal thing. Admit it you want to kill someone you fantasize about it all the time. You're probably wishing you could shoot me and everybody else that doesn't agree with you right?
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So...you blame the gun for that event and not the perpetrator?
 
Caine said:
Of course your mind instantly jumps to gun control...

Why else do you think so many shootings are happening lately?
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Well, I see it as a massively unanswered question. It's obvious the real reason that this stuff happens is because crazy people are crazy and etc. and we could easily go forth and debate cultural morality and the effects of religion and education and so on. However, which is more realistic and immediately effective? Somehow curbing culture or doing something to curb access to guns for crazy people?
 
hawke812 said:
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.". - William S. Burroughs
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Quoted for truth...
 
poweRob said:
Preemptive gun defense politics. That didn't take long.
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There is nothing pre-emptive about speaking truth in response to the liberals who took even less time to start crying about guns being the root of all evil.
 
Fisher said:
There is nothing pre-emptive about speaking truth in response to the liberals who took even less time to start crying about guns being the root of all evil.
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Gun control is anti-liberal. Please stop swallowing infiltrators and mainstream medias version of liberalism. America was founded upon liberalism and thus we have the 2nd amendment.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
You have defeated yourself with this.... I hope I NEVER, EVER, EVER have to kill anyone in my life. I think even if my life was threatened I would aim for legs, shoulders, or try to escape if I thought I could.
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You could still kill aiming for the legs. And I don't believe you, if you hope to never kill someone then why do you have a gun? Protection? From what? Someone else with a gun? good luck with that.
 
Saboteur said:
Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone because they wanted to when they bought the infernal thing. Admit it you want to kill someone you fantasize about it all the time. You're probably wishing you could shoot me and everybody else that doesn't agree with you right?
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You're allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Your past few posts haven't been very logical.

There are many good, normal gun owners out there. They don't spend their days thinking of how they want to use their weapons. The Hollywood portrayal of gun owners is far from accurate.
 
RepublicanMcDuc said:
You're allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Your past few posts haven't been very logical.

There are many good, normal gun owners out there. They don't spend their days thinking of how they want to use their weapons. The Hollywood portrayal of gun owners is far from accurate.
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The Hollywood portrayal of guns is inaccurate period. The amount of misinformation is staggering.
 
Mycroft said:
So...you blame the gun for that event and not the perpetrator?
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I blame human nature and the psychology of people who think they need to own a gun. you don't buy a gun because it looks nice on your coffe mug tree, you buy a gun to kill a person. I'm sick of this people kill people B.S.... No ****?! That's why they bought a gun DUH!
 
I have a solution. Lower the legal gun owning age to 7 years old. If those kids had guns, they could have defended themselves.

**sarcasm off**

Really messed up situation. No amount of gun control will stop people from obtaining guns in a country where so many people own them. That is where Mexico gets all their guns. From us!!! Someone, somewhere, legally bought the gun, and then it eventually got sold to someone illegally. It is not possible to control the illegal sale of guns, only the legal sale of guns. That is where the changes need to be made. If we want to maintain our constitutional right to bear arms, then the punishment for the illegal sale of arms should be one of the most severe crimes you could possibly commit. If that weapon is used in a murder or shooting, the person who sold that weapon illegally should be charged with identical charges as the killer, along with charged with selling firearms illegally. We do this with DUI's already in many states. Where the passenger or even the bar can be charged or sued for the actions of the driver.

Or, perhaps, we need to evolve our culture into one which believes no one needs to own a firearm at all other than police and military people.
 
GmH said:
The only solution to this problem is to make the public immune to violence so we dont feel so bad when these things happen. We need more Violent Movies, Violent Games and TV. Forget this Frankenstein stuff, we need more chainsaw massacres, we need more arms and heads cut off. Violence, Violence, Violence, We need to eat drink and sleep Violence, We need it in every house and around every corner. We need to start when the children are young.....start with their gameboys... I know people say this does effect people, but I think we just need to try harder...more Violence!!!
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I don't buy the "violence in the media/entertainment industry" argument either. The Lone Ranger used violence. Bugs Bunny was violent. The Three Stooges were violent.

It isn't violence in the media that has made things worse but, rather, the fact that the consequences of violence are no longer expressed. It is the violence itself that is glorified and the results of that violence are generally ignored.
 
Evenstar said:
Quoted for truth...
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William S. Burroughs shot his wife by 'accident' at a party in Texas then ran to Mexico to avoid prosecution.

And then he became quite the lover of young latino boys.

That's the truth....
 
Saboteur said:
I blame human nature and the psychology of people who think they need to own a gun. you don't buy a gun because it looks nice on your coffe mug tree, you buy a gun to kill a person. I'm sick of this people kill people B.S.... No ****?! That's why they bought a gun DUH!
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Sounds like you have a lot of emotional energy built up around this. However, keep in mind you are in the Breaking News area of this forum.

Might I suggest the following sub-forum for you instead?

Gun Control - DebatePolitics

95 threads in there, all about this topic. Go to town, man. Let it all out. That's where you need to be.
 
jakiejakester said:
Yeah, right! Imagine how many fewer people would be dead in the USA if we had gun control laws like England does? In England if lovers get in a fight one of them doesn't pull out a gun and kill the other one. In England if people get in a fight on the street they don't pull out a gun and kill. The amount of real people that would not be killed each year if we had England's gun control laws is HUGE.
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No they pull a knife
 
Saboteur said:
You could still kill aiming for the legs. And I don't believe you, if you hope to never kill someone then why do you have a gun? Protection? From what? Someone else with a gun? good luck with that.
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Wether you choose to believe me or not I speak the truth. I was in boyscouts.

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On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.
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He killed 27. Sorry to hear. Still against gun control laws? Is there a death sentence in that state?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Maybe if these madhouses didn't lobotomize so many of their patients and build their facilities over underground railroads they would still exist today. (referring to Northern State facility in Washington State)
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I do believe mental illness has been marginalized by society. Some see it as shirking responsibility, like combat fatigue was considered malingering. Some as a dodge from criminal penalties, or coddled with three hots and a cot.

Rather than reform our system, Reagan used closing many Institutions to pander to his base.

I don't believe using one Hospital to bad mouth the rest of the system is a good argument.

But back to the basic point of where do we draw the line on committing people or denying them firearm ownership- just who decides and what criteria is to be used?
 
Cilogy said:
Well, I see it as a massively unanswered question. It's obvious the real reason that this stuff happens is because crazy people are crazy and etc. and we could easily go forth and debate cultural morality and the effects of religion and education and so on. However, which is more realistic and immediately effective? Somehow curbing culture or doing something to curb access to guns for crazy people?
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Chicago shows us neither are immediately effective
 
Evenstar said:
How do these parents not realize they have raised a sociopath?
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A very good question. Maybe they did realize and tried to do something about it, but there was only so much they could do. Or on the other hand, I suppose parents don't always see their own children in the most objective of lights.

Another thing to consider is that "sociopath" is a colloquial term for Antisocial Personality Disorder, which isn't diagnosable until age 18 (at the earliest). The shooter was young, right? These personality traits may have emerged somewhat recently. Who knows?
 
RDS said:
He killed 27. Sorry to hear. Still against gun control laws? Is there a death sentence in that state?
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CT law forbids the death sentence.
 
RepublicanMcDuc said:
You're allowing your emotions to get the better of you. Your past few posts haven't been very logical.

There are many good, normal gun owners out there. They don't spend their days thinking of how they want to use their weapons. The Hollywood portrayal of gun owners is far from accurate.
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Whoa, man, thanks for that. I have quite the PTSD you know...
 
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