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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

just saw a FB from someone I know who lives in that area. They are hearing locally through the rumor mill the shooter may be in his early 20's.
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN'T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES. I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!

Nice one, bringing humor to a tragedy:lol:
 
An event like this is incomprehensible. This is not about guns, it is about madness and there really are no solutions when you get someone so crazy or sociopathic that they have no fear of the repercussions for their actions.

There seems to be more of this than usual lately but it's not something that hasn't happened before. Regrettably, it won't be the last time either.

Once again, we are in a time of mourning for all those lost lives and the emotional damage done to the survivors and the relatives and friends of the victims.
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just saw a FB from someone I know who lives in that area. They are hearing locally through the rumor mill the shooter may be in his early 20's.

Thanks, but I'll pass on information from "the rumor mill".

No offense to you or your acquaintance.
 
Yes there are crazy people that do crazy things like this but EVERYTIME someone shoots someone else the gunnies cry insane person ahhhh. Maybe maybe not.

I'm gonna go ahead and claim that if you're willing to run into a school and shoot a bunch of kids, you're insane.
 
Thanks, but I'll pass on information from "the rumor mill".

No offense to you or your acquaintance.

ABC and Reuters have the same reports. One of the suspects was 24, other as young as 20...allegedly.
 
Well, it isn't like the UK hasn't had a mass school killing. You however also do not hear of it in places that do not kow tow to the "rights" of the mentally ill.
Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.
 
I understand the urge to feel that way, but it solves nothing. Nothing will bring those poor children back, least of all a brutal execution. We can't let ourselves degrade into monsters because of the actions of a maniac.

It's not an urge, I've always felt that way about these types of criminals. Just like child molesters, I say tie em to a tree and let the people take care of business. After a trial of course, I mean we're not animals. :)


Tim-
 
Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.

There's a thread for this, dude. This isn't it.

Here: go post to your heart's content. This thread should be about mourning this poor babies, not pushing a goddamned agenda.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/145923-conneticut-shooting-bad-one.html
 
Oh you mean like in Norway where that screwball killed 70 campers? Violence for the determined is going to happen, period. If anything, this is yet another sign that our schools need to have armed teachers or guards in them.


Tim-
Norway has 1.78 gun murders per 100K meaning that's about 5 murders here for everyone in Norway....
 
I'm getting sick of this ****. These kinds of shootings are becoming too regular. I don't know who, but who ever has the job of examining patterns in the shooters needs to get working and find a way to help stop this. And I don't want to hear any BS about "well, some people are bad and you can't stop them." That argument is almost as bad as "God did it."

Well, it's pretty much impossible to stop this kind of thing.

First, red flags only become so after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Sure, there are "yellow" flags beforehand, but there's absolutely no way of telling if someone is going to actually do something like this or if they're just shooting their mouth off. Warning signs are ambiguous enough that it's never possible to tell until after the fact.

Second, even if someone picked up on these signals, what are they going to do? Go to the police? The police would say they couldn't do anything about it because no crime was committed. Have this person committed to a mental institution based on a few things they've said? Does anyone even know how to go about doing something like that? And if so, do you really think that you can get someone involuntarily committed based on a few things that they have said?

No, the answer isn't tightening gun control. Nor is it increasing the police force. Nor is it making it easier to involuntarily commit someone.

The problem (and why you are going to see more of these types of actions) is lack of access to proper healthcare, including mental healthcare. This is combined with the broader stresses people are put through (due to the economy, for example). We need a concerted effort to increase access to mental healthcare, and a change in culture that not only broadly promotes mental healthcare but a proactive approach to mental healthcare as well.

This is a problem with the stigma surrounding mental healthcare, the lack of recognition of mental healthcare as an integral part of one's broader healthcare, lack of access to mental healthcare, lack of insurance coverage for mental healthcare, and so on. Blaming this on guns or a lack of vigilance, or a lack of security are all inadequate band-aid solutions to the broader problem, which is much more complex, deep-rooted and nuanced.

I can't imagine anyone doing something like this in an elementary school. It just seems unreal to me. These are innocent little kids who didn't do anything to anyone. It makes me want to have my kid home-schooled, to be honest.

The amount of school shootings is negligible, statistically speaking. This is a case of something happening so rarely that when it does happen it is reported on widely, unreasonably increasing the level of fear and conception of frequency in the public consciousness. You'd probably be doing more damage to your kid home schooling them.

FWIW I went to a school where a kid brought a loaded gun to school in 7th grade with the intention to "scare" people. They caught him before he could use it, luckily. He had a "hit" list in his locker. I still am not scared of sending my future children to school.

EDIT: He was a Chapter 220 student (i.e. the program where kids are bussed in from the ghetto to go to a suburban school). His home life was basically nonexistent; I wouldn't be surprised if his parents were drug addicts and/or abused him. He was a huge troublemaker in school and would always get picked on by people. After getting caught he was expelled and arrested. Last I heard he's serving a life sentence for accidentally shooting a pregnant woman.

I actually feel bad for him; I really feel like if someone stepped in and actually helped him when he got caught with the gun he could have been helped. But nobody did; they just kicked him out of school and gave him a felony, and after that he didn't have a chance. That's the problem with our culture that I'm talking about.
 
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When you say nothing gets done again, you only mean your agenda and restrictions on the gun. You
wouldn't even remotely consider that some teachers should be armed, or that we should begin to include
more citizens in the defense of our communities like the beginning of law enforcements history the constable
or the neighbor who kept the peace. You only want to go after the innanimate object to which we are
constitutionally granted the right to keep and bear because today - of all horrible days - it is an easy
target and the failure of the collective to protect its children requires only "your" solution.


Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.
 
CBS there is a dead body at a home connected to the suspected shooter. Sounds like he killed the mom and then went to the school to me.....
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN'T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES. I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!

This is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
 
Kids still unaccounted for? Perhaps this was a mass kiddnapping meant to look like someone going bat****?

Whatever the motive I think its time that every school have at least 5 armed guards. (civilian not military) I think that's a worthy taxpayer cause.
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN'T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES. I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!

Speak up! I can't hear ya
 
The actual body count is 18 children and 8 others known dead, no word of how many wounded. One gunmen confirmed. Handguns used. Nine days before Christmas. Many survivors will have many questions as to why there are monsters in the world. I wonder how he got in-were the doors locked?
 
Norway has 1.78 gun murders per 100K meaning that's about 5 murders here for everyone in Norway....

So? Does it matter how you die and by what method? Norway could be and has been invaded and occupied through its entire history, the US, never, and never could be. We have guns!

We also have nut jobs just like everyone else. The problem is nutjobs, not the instrument they use to inflict pain and suffering. Hell, bringing back insane asylums everywhere would be cheaper than trying to take all the guns away in the US.


Tim-
 
I wonder if the shooter was a pot smoker. Certainly that connection would be more important to focus on than guns.

Something in his mind made him do it, not the inert piece of metal in his hand.
 
Kids still unaccounted for? Perhaps this was a mass kiddnapping meant to look like someone going bat****?

Whatever the motive I think its time that every school have at least 5 armed guards. (civilian not military) I think that's a worthy taxpayer cause.

You may be shocked to learn that would take more officers than some counties have total on duty at any given time.
 
So please explain why the USA is 12th in the world in most murders using a gun? The only countries that kill more people with guns than we do are:

El Salvador
Jamaica
Honduras
Guatemala
Swaziland
Colombia
Brazil
Panama
Mexico
Philippines
South Africa

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting list... but its main point is deaths by firearms, not murder... We rank 12th in that category. In murders, we actually rank a surprising 23rd, after France and Finland.... plus a ton of Latin American and Balkin countries...
 
I wonder if the shooter was a pot smoker. Certainly that connection would be more important to focus on than guns.

Something in his mind made him do it, not the inert piece of metal in his hand.

A pot smoker? Seriously? Pot is probably the last mind alterning substance I would think of. Alcohol would make someone do this faster than pot would.
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN'T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES. I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"



EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!

We are all slightly dumber for reading this. Sometimes I wonder . . . I truly do. There's a time and PLACE. This thread should be neither.

With that said, my thoughts are with the parents of the victims and the community as a whole. God Bless . . .
 
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