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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

Another horrific act of violence. I'm watching the news. The officers evacuating the children told them to "hold hands and close their eyes" until they were out of the school. I'm at a loss.
 
Another horrific act of violence. I'm watching the news. The officers evacuating the children told them to "hold hands and close their eyes" until they were out of the school. I'm at a loss.

I'm seeing that, too.

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MSNBC saying at least 20 kids shot....

What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?
 
My heart almost stopped beating upon reading this. My little girl is in kindergarten right now. god I can't even imagine ...
Yeah, when it happens to children, I just cannot even understand it. No child could ever do anything to warrant this kind of violence.

I think the thing that's starting to get to me as well is that these kinds of callous mass shootings are happening more frequently and in so many different types of public places. They aren't just isolated anymore and that makes me worry about my safety and that of my friends and family. This is just getting to be too much.
 
What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?

I think we can have a valid debate on guns at a later date. Right now I find it tacky and in poor taste to focus on an issue that isn't going anywhere when there are 18+ children dead who deserve (if nothing else) a moment of quiet reflection and prayer/hope/thought for their surviving families and friends.
 
What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?

Well, it isn't like the UK hasn't had a mass school killing. You however also do not hear of it in places that do not kow tow to the "rights" of the mentally ill.
 
What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?

Oh you mean like in Norway where that screwball killed 70 campers? Violence for the determined is going to happen, period. If anything, this is yet another sign that our schools need to have armed teachers or guards in them.


Tim-
 
What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?

I kind of agree that it is a bit strange that every other issue can be speculated upon but the gun control question is considered tasteless. It's also a political debate web-site so...

That said, these kind of things have happened in other countries - quite recently too. In my opinion if somebody is going to convince themselves to kill a bunch of children, they'll probably go to the effort of acquiring a firearm no matter the controls.
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN'T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES. I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!
 
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THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN"T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!

Completely inappropriate and unnecessary. WTF were you thinking when you posted this?
 
I think we can have a valid debate on guns at a later date. Right now I find it tacky and in poor taste to focus on an issue that isn't going anywhere when there are 18+ children dead who deserve (if nothing else) a moment of quiet reflection and prayer/hope/thought for their surviving families and friends.

With all due repsect Tess, when then? No one discussed it after Gabrielle Giffords, though Carolyn McCarthy tried very hard to push it. No one is talking about it after Aurora. Everyone says this, not now. So when?

This is not a personal attack on you, it's just a question that is never answered.
 
I read stories like this, and my faith in humanity dwindles again. :(

That's your problem. You have faith in humanity at all. Stop doing that and you won't be disappointed.
 
That makes sense. Whenever I follow stories like this, they often follow the same pattern. At first, the people interviewed say, "I never thought he would do this; he was so nice/normal." Then, a few days later, all the skeletons in the closest come out with all the warning signs.

Interestingly enough, I understand why people don't report those signs. There was a kid in college who had a mental breakdown and a few months later threatened to kill (mostly) everyone in our dorm. None of us who heard him say it reported it to anyone. We just tried to calm him down and then we ended leaving him alone to sleep it off. He never did anything, but I regret not doing more now that I'm older. It was just an awkward situation where someone who's upset just says something out of frustration and it's easy to brush off. Moreover, even if you do think it could be serious, you don't want to report him and then have that attention set him off. Ultimately, in order to get people to speak up, somebody has to change significant aspects of our culture.

several years ago while visiting a good friend, after grilling and and having a few beers our conversation took a turn and he started asking me questions like would i make sure his wife and kid were taken care of if something happened to him, ect....made me feel uneasy.......7 days later i got the phone call that he killed himself in the mall parking lot....i totally missed the sign, but im not sure i would have known what to do about it
 
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With all due repsect Tess, when then? No one discussed it after Gabrielle Giffords, though Carolyn McCarthy tried very hard to push it. No one is talking about it after Aurora. Everyone says this, not now. So when?

It was discussed after Giffords. It is discussed after every gun-related tragedy. I don't think 4 hours after children died, in a thread completely unrelated to gun control, is the appropriate time.
 
So please explain why the USA is 12th in the world in most murders using a gun? The only countries that kill more people with guns than we do are:

El Salvador
Jamaica
Honduras
Guatemala
Swaziland
Colombia
Brazil
Panama
Mexico
Philippines
South Africa

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why don't you make a thread about gun control instead of posting in a thread about the actual tragedy? It's really tacky and disrespectful, IMO.
 
several years ago while visiting a good friend, after grilling and and having a few beers our conversation took a turn and he started asking me questions like would i make sure his wife and kid were taken care of if something happened to him, ect....made me feel uneasy.......7 days later i got the phone call that he killed himself in the mall parking lot
Damn, I'm sorry, man. The older I get, and I'm not even that old, the more I'm learning that it's better to trust your gut when it comes to friends. People often have a way of telling you that something's wrong without stating it directly. It's just that most of us second guess ourselves or don't want to start trouble if we're wrong about what we suspect.
 
If there was ever an argument for public square death sentence this is it. Tie them to a tree and let the residents have at it.

I'm serious.

Tim-
Yeah nothing like combating violence by encouraging mob violence! Brilliant!
 
THAT'S IT YOU FRICKIN' GUN NUTS!!!!!!!! I WANT YOU ALL TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL WAL-MART, LOWES, FLEETFARM, MENARDS ETC. AND BUY ONE OF THOSE CHEAP FULL LENGTH MIRRORS. THEN WHEN YOU GET HOME, TAKE OFF YOUR PANTS AND YOUR SKIDDED UP LITTLE TIGHTY WHITEYS (BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL SO FAT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A WHILE) AND TELL YOUR TINY LITTLE PENIS THAT YOU ARE ALL COMPENSATING FOR (AND REPEAT THIS EXACTLY) "BECAUSE OF YOU BEING SO SMALL AND THAT I CAN"T DEAL WITH YOU BEING ONLY 4" LONG and 1 1/2" IN CIRCUMFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE HARD AND I CAN'T PLEASE ANY WOMAN NOT EVEN WITH SPECIAL MOVES I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE I HAVE TO HAVE A GUN, MY FREAKISHLY SMALL LITTLE PENIS, THERE ARE A POSSIBLE 27 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WHO WERE KILLED TODAY!!!!!!!"

EVERYONE THAT OWNS A GUN IS RESPONSABLE FOR THESE AND ALL OTHER GUN MURDERS!!!!!
Wow lol. What an epic meltdown. I'm just glad I was here to witness it.
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If there was ever an argument for public square death sentence this is it. Tie them to a tree and let the residents have at it.

I'm serious.

Tim-

I understand the urge to feel that way, but it solves nothing. Nothing will bring those poor children back, least of all a brutal execution. We can't let ourselves degrade into monsters because of the actions of a maniac.
 
Damn, I'm sorry, man. The older I get, and I'm not even that old, the more I'm learning that it's better to trust your gut when it comes to friends. People often have a way of telling you that something's wrong without stating it directly. It's just that most of us second guess ourselves or don't want to start trouble if we're wrong about what we suspect.

A very true statement. You have to be morally courageous with loved ones and friends when these things happen. Almost everytime you hear about a suicide, there's a friend or loved one that sensed it and did nothing. It's hard to do and a lot of times you want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
What a nightmare! As a parent and as a human being is there anything worse than children being murdered, no less elementary school kids who have never done anything to anyone...and you know that the last effects of this will harm so many more innocent people who's lives will be forever altered.

Why does this happen? Why is it so easy to get guns? You don't hear of stuff like this happening in countries that have strict laws about owning guns...it's almost always in the USA. We have an insane love for guns and God forbid me or anyone speaks out against guns the vitriol and attack against me and the people who believe as I do. I'm sure the great gun defenders are going to make all types of lame "2nd amendment rights" arguments because their lives are SO threatened!

Remember at VA Tech when so many nuts said that if the students there had guns less people would have died? Are they now going to say the same thing about these first graders?

It does not happen anywhere else, only the USA:roll:

Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term - CNN.com

Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈɑndəʂ ˈbeːrɪŋ ˈbræjviːk];[6] born 13 February 1979) is the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks. In a sequential bombing and mass shooting on 22 July 2011, he bombed government buildings in Oslo, resulting in eight deaths, then carried out a mass shooting at a camp of the Workers' Youth League (AUF) of the Labour Party on the island of Utøya, where he killed 69 people, mostly teenagers.

Anders Behring Breivik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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