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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Thanks, but I'll pass on information from "the rumor mill".

    No offense to you or your acquaintance.
    ABC and Reuters have the same reports. One of the suspects was 24, other as young as 20...allegedly.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well, it isn't like the UK hasn't had a mass school killing. You however also do not hear of it in places that do not kow tow to the "rights" of the mentally ill.
    Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

    BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I understand the urge to feel that way, but it solves nothing. Nothing will bring those poor children back, least of all a brutal execution. We can't let ourselves degrade into monsters because of the actions of a maniac.
    It's not an urge, I've always felt that way about these types of criminals. Just like child molesters, I say tie em to a tree and let the people take care of business. After a trial of course, I mean we're not animals.


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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    "More Guns Less Crime"

    its a book, written by an academic, and a fact - look it up.


    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    So please explain why the USA is 12th in the world in most murders using a gun? The only countries that kill more people with guns than we do are:

    El Salvador
    Jamaica
    Honduras
    Guatemala
    Swaziland
    Colombia
    Brazil
    Panama
    Mexico
    Philippines
    South Africa

    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

    BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.
    There's a thread for this, dude. This isn't it.

    Here: go post to your heart's content. This thread should be about mourning this poor babies, not pushing a goddamned agenda.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I read stories like this, and my faith in humanity dwindles again.

    ... of course, any theologian would tell you your faith is misplaced...

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oh you mean like in Norway where that screwball killed 70 campers? Violence for the determined is going to happen, period. If anything, this is yet another sign that our schools need to have armed teachers or guards in them.


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    Norway has 1.78 gun murders per 100K meaning that's about 5 murders here for everyone in Norway....
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm getting sick of this ****. These kinds of shootings are becoming too regular. I don't know who, but who ever has the job of examining patterns in the shooters needs to get working and find a way to help stop this. And I don't want to hear any BS about "well, some people are bad and you can't stop them." That argument is almost as bad as "God did it."
    Well, it's pretty much impossible to stop this kind of thing.

    First, red flags only become so after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Sure, there are "yellow" flags beforehand, but there's absolutely no way of telling if someone is going to actually do something like this or if they're just shooting their mouth off. Warning signs are ambiguous enough that it's never possible to tell until after the fact.

    Second, even if someone picked up on these signals, what are they going to do? Go to the police? The police would say they couldn't do anything about it because no crime was committed. Have this person committed to a mental institution based on a few things they've said? Does anyone even know how to go about doing something like that? And if so, do you really think that you can get someone involuntarily committed based on a few things that they have said?

    No, the answer isn't tightening gun control. Nor is it increasing the police force. Nor is it making it easier to involuntarily commit someone.

    The problem (and why you are going to see more of these types of actions) is lack of access to proper healthcare, including mental healthcare. This is combined with the broader stresses people are put through (due to the economy, for example). We need a concerted effort to increase access to mental healthcare, and a change in culture that not only broadly promotes mental healthcare but a proactive approach to mental healthcare as well.

    This is a problem with the stigma surrounding mental healthcare, the lack of recognition of mental healthcare as an integral part of one's broader healthcare, lack of access to mental healthcare, lack of insurance coverage for mental healthcare, and so on. Blaming this on guns or a lack of vigilance, or a lack of security are all inadequate band-aid solutions to the broader problem, which is much more complex, deep-rooted and nuanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I can't imagine anyone doing something like this in an elementary school. It just seems unreal to me. These are innocent little kids who didn't do anything to anyone. It makes me want to have my kid home-schooled, to be honest.
    The amount of school shootings is negligible, statistically speaking. This is a case of something happening so rarely that when it does happen it is reported on widely, unreasonably increasing the level of fear and conception of frequency in the public consciousness. You'd probably be doing more damage to your kid home schooling them.

    FWIW I went to a school where a kid brought a loaded gun to school in 7th grade with the intention to "scare" people. They caught him before he could use it, luckily. He had a "hit" list in his locker. I still am not scared of sending my future children to school.

    EDIT: He was a Chapter 220 student (i.e. the program where kids are bussed in from the ghetto to go to a suburban school). His home life was basically nonexistent; I wouldn't be surprised if his parents were drug addicts and/or abused him. He was a huge troublemaker in school and would always get picked on by people. After getting caught he was expelled and arrested. Last I heard he's serving a life sentence for accidentally shooting a pregnant woman.

    I actually feel bad for him; I really feel like if someone stepped in and actually helped him when he got caught with the gun he could have been helped. But nobody did; they just kicked him out of school and gave him a felony, and after that he didn't have a chance. That's the problem with our culture that I'm talking about.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    When you say nothing gets done again, you only mean your agenda and restrictions on the gun. You
    wouldn't even remotely consider that some teachers should be armed, or that we should begin to include
    more citizens in the defense of our communities like the beginning of law enforcements history the constable
    or the neighbor who kept the peace. You only want to go after the innanimate object to which we are
    constitutionally granted the right to keep and bear because today - of all horrible days - it is an easy
    target and the failure of the collective to protect its children requires only "your" solution.


    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

    BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    CBS there is a dead body at a home connected to the suspected shooter. Sounds like he killed the mom and then went to the school to me.....

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