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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Perhaps the unintended side effects of treating youngsters with heavy psychoactive agents?
    I somewhat agree with you. There is little to no doubt that discipline among children is nothing like it used to be. Today, we are told not to discipline them, but that they have a "problem" and look, the kind and benevolent drug companies have given us these "harmless" magic pills to make them behave.

    Children need discipline and control. They, usually, are not going to develop it for themselves. They need parental discipline and control in order to learn self-discipline and control for later in life.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I somewhat agree with you. There is little to no doubt that discipline among children is nothing like it used to be. Today, we are told not to discipline them, but that they have a "problem" and look, the kind and benevolent drug companies have given us these "harmless" magic pills to make them behave.

    Children need discipline and control. They, usually, are not going to develop it for themselves. They need parental discipline and control in order to learn self-discipline and control for later in life.
    Perhaps more than discipline and control they need exercise. Just as with dogs, physical exercise tires the individual out and usually helps him become quiet and submissive.

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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

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    Perhaps more than discipline and control they need exercise. Just as with dogs, physical exercise tires the individual out and usually helps him become quiet and submissive.
    Quiet and Submissive? Wow, that is definitely two things I don't want in a child. Obedient to rules, yes, submissive, no way. And quiet is usually a condition in children brought on by social isolation and an inability to show/control emotions. Both very bad things, unless you are trying to create sociopaths and psychopaths. Quiet when appropriate, that is learning social discipline, quiet all the time, bad, bad, bad.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Here's some food for thought, re options for family of the mentally ill:

    I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

    A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

    That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.
    When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584


    Well, as the father of a child who went through a tough adolescent, early adulthood, the ending of your article where the police talks of creating a paper trail is false. I know first hand.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, as the father of a child who went through a tough adolescent, early adulthood, the ending of your article where the police talks of creating a paper trail is false. I know first hand.
    Actually, that was the social worker, and I'd seriously question the advisability of getting the police involved, even without having had such an experience.

    The writer questions that idea, too, further down in the article.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

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    Actually, that was the social worker, and I'd seriously question the advisability of getting the police involved, even without having had such an experience.

    The writer questions that idea, too, further down in the article.

    Yes, with a little effort, and research, a parent can move to the help the child needs.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

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    Quiet and Submissive? Wow, that is definitely two things I don't want in a child. Obedient to rules, yes, submissive, no way. And quiet is usually a condition in children brought on by social isolation and an inability to show/control emotions. Both very bad things, unless you are trying to create sociopaths and psychopaths. Quiet when appropriate, that is learning social discipline, quiet all the time, bad, bad, bad.
    Another term for discipline or obedient to rules is "submission to authority", pure and simple. Part of the social conditioning process is to learn to submit to authority.

    Yes, of course that can be overdone, but the fact remains that submission to authority is a primary goal of our education and conditioning process.

    As for being quiet, some personalities are just that way. What were the old 'humours' they talked about way back--sanguine, phlegmatic, and a few others. Some people don't talk much.

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