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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

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    I think that both sides have a hard time understanding the other. And, in light of what we have in control of power in DC these days, I am not so sure that civil war isn't what they want.
    Surely you can't believe in anyway what you wrote? Come on! You wrote that President Obama / Democrats want to start a Civil War?

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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    If a police officer came to confiscate your gun(s) you will shoot and kill him so you can keep your guns?
    So I could keep my rights. You understand the concept of rights, don't you?

    They're worth fighting for.

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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    So you're saying that if laws are changed regarding gun ownership that you disagree with you will use your gun illegally to shoot people if the law requires you to forfeit your weapon? Am I understanding your post properly? If a police officer came to confiscate your gun(s) you will shoot and kill him so you can keep your guns?
    The Constitution grants ownership of weapons. Without a Constitutional amendment, it is not legal to pass laws taking peoples guns away without there being a specific cause, such as mental defect or conviction of a felony. Further, the Constitution prohibits, Ex Post Facto laws, meaning any law can only be carried forward, it cannot be back dated, therefore anyone already owning guns prior to the passing of said law would still be allowed ownership. Therefore, any law demanding the seizure of legally owned guns would be illegal and unconstitutional. So, how can it be considered illegal to stand up against the enforcement of illegal and unconstitutional law?

    No, I would do it for others to have legal ownership. I don't expect to personally survive the experience should such circumstances ever occur. They may in the future, but I don't see them occurring during my lifetime. One reason I don't believe so is that due to the question of constitutionality, any such law would immediately have an injunction placed against it prior to it being enforced and that it would only be lifted once the Supreme Court has ruled. I would probably, with the exception of my personal defense gun, hide all others to avoid their confiscation until the Supreme Court has ruled.

    I have in the past given an oath that I still try to live by, that being "to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic". It is every citizens right, I would say duty, to support and defend the constitution. If constitutional amendments were somehow made that striped away not only the Right to Bear arms but also preventing Ex Post Facto, then I would either fight, if I was able or leave. I could not be part of any society that would allow Ex Post Facto law to exist.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Ya, everyone with common sense buys safes that are worth more than what they have inside them. Safes aren't secure in the least. All they do is slow someone down. This kid would have had at least 24 hours to do whatever he wanted after he offed his mom.
    Maybe gun-haters should require everyone to do what my father-in-law did. His house has a concrete stairway going into his finished basement. He built a room underneath it. Three walls of concrete, a steel door and the whole thing hidden behind paneling. Room enough for his 30 or so firearms. If you didn't know it was there you'd never find it and if you found it, you'd have a hell of a time getting into it. But then, he's a carpenter and he did most of the work building the house. Didn't cost him much extra but his own labor.

    The gun-haters would probably be comfortable requiring all houses to cost thousands more...just in case someone wanted to buy a gun.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Yuck, this thread is terrible. I was hoping more would come out of this tragedy than partisan politics and the usual political hackery. I guess not.

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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    Yuck, this thread is terrible. I was hoping more would come out of this tragedy than partisan politics and the usual political hackery. I guess not.
    It started out good, but then the gun haters started in. Some of us resisted them, but now it's all theirs.

    It's really a shame, isn't it?
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
    As we've seen all over the internet and the mainstream media...yes, it's too much for them.
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?
    Ya.. those parents are really trolling through these forums. This is a political forum and this is a political issue (among other things). Just because you can get mad at people doesn't make you a better person. Are you going to send any victims a condolence or is your homage lip service only?
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    Re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584

    I can think of where this thread belongs. *unsubscribes*

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