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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Will we ever know why this deranged dude's mother saw fit to have Glocks and Bushmaster type weapons in her home, let alone where her offspring could get to it?

    I don't get it.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yep, focus on the tool, not the person.

    Tell me, how exactly are you going to take away those guns? I own several, you are welcome to come try to take them away, but I warn you before hand, I will defend my right to keep them. Unfortunately for you fantasy of getting rid of them, there are approximately 100 million or more of us who own them and will fight to keep them. So how exactly do you plan to accomplish such a feat? Use the military? One, they are prohibited by law from performing law enforcement inside the US. Two, how many of them are gun owners who will fight to keep them?

    How many of those murders were committed with guns obtained illegally? How many would of occurred if the victims were armed and able to defend themselves? What was the occurrence rate of such crimes when most of America was armed vs the occurrence rates after gun laws came into affect? How many of those countries had our level of ownership and successfully took them away? How will people defend themselves if guns are taken made illegal? What exactly are the chances of pushing through a constitutional amendment that would be necessary even to bring about such laws? How is that so many liberals think they can bring the absolution of guns in America without a Revolution/Civil War occurring?
    I think that both sides have a hard time understanding the other. And, in light of what we have in control of power in DC these days, I am not so sure that civil war isn't what they want.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Will we ever know why this deranged dude's mother saw fit to have Glocks and Bushmaster type weapons in her home, let alone where her offspring could get to it?

    I don't get it.
    According to a news report I read this morning, she liked to collect guns, she liked to shoot them and she would shoot with her family.

    Personally, I don't find that any different than my own circumstances. I have a WWII rifle, I like to shoot it and I shoot with my sons. Their mother and her husband have more guns than I do. My boys each own a .22 rifle and they've been shooting since they were 7 years old. One of my sons is 19, the other is 22 years old.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    Can we get any sillier than this?

    You may or may not believe that gun control is an answer. To try and equate an issue like guns, a weapon that permeates almost every aspect of society, with these other things is absurd.
    Guns are being taken away from the people who need to have them.

    The tactic of disarming law abiding citizens and employing "gun safe zones" will only lead to more mass shootings, like the one yesterday.

    Take for example the shooters mother. She owned those guns legally. Well guess what, she was disarmed by YOUR GUN CONTROL laws. Guess what happened?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think that both sides have a hard time understanding the other. And, in light of what we have in control of power in DC these days, I am not so sure that civil war isn't what they want.
    I often wonder that myself. I generally chalk it up to stupidity and lack of understanding. But sometimes I have to wonder it triggering a crises like a civil war while a Liberal is in office isn't someone's plan. It would allow them to enact emergency powers and basically make the President at the time a dictator. For now, I am going with the "their just stupid" instead of the conspiracy theory.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Will we ever know why this deranged dude's mother saw fit to have Glocks and Bushmaster type weapons in her home, let alone where her offspring could get to it?

    I don't get it.
    How do you secure a gun from an adult, and an honors student at that?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    Guns are being taken away from the people who need to have them.

    The tactic of disarming law abiding citizens and employing "gun safe zones" will only lead to more mass shootings, like the one yesterday.

    Take for example the shooters mother. She owned those guns legally. Well guess what, she was disarmed by YOUR GUN CONTROL laws. Guess what happened?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    How do you secure a gun from an adult, and an honors student at that?
    Was this adult a locksmith, too?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Man Arrested in Vegas Hammer Murders
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    It's a brutal and unsettling story, made all the more so by the fact that the perpetrator was a 22-year-old man with no connection to the victims. Bryan Clay was arrested Friday for the April 15 rapes and bludgeoning murders of a Ignacia Martinez and her 10-year-old daughter Karla.

    Ignacia's husband Arturo Martinez was badly injured in the attack and is still recovering in the hospital. His two other sons were left unharmed.

    "This was a complete stranger killing a mother and daughter and attacking the father," [Lt. Ray] Steiber told The Associated Press. "I've been doing this (police work) 24 years, and you don't see cases like this. I can't even put this into words."

    Saying "there's no rhyme or reason to why," Steiber admitted that investigators have had trouble establishing motive. Nothing was taken from the house, and the two Ignacio sons were left alone. It was when the 9-year-old son reported what had happened to his school counselor the next day that Las Vegas police were notified.

    Man Arrested in Vegas Hammer Murders
    The Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs (Ukrainian: Дніпропетровські маніяки, Russian: Днепропетровские маньяки) is the media epithet for the killers responsible for a string of murders in Dnipropetrovsk,[1] Ukraine in June and July 2007. The case gained additional notoriety because the killers made video recordings of some of the murders, with one of the videos leaking to the Internet. Two 19-year-old locals, Viktor Sayenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Саєнко, Russian: Виктор Саенко) and Igor Suprunyuck (Ukrainian: Ігор Супрунюк, Russian: Игорь Супрунюк), were arrested and charged with 21 murders.[2]

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Was this adult a locksmith, too?
    ROFLMAO. A lock? ridiculous. Unless you are talking about a safe, that's a joke.

    And having a safe that can fit a rifle in it is asinine.

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