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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Although all the children lived, there is something inside some people that leads them to attack children. 22 children slashed with a knife in China. There are stories like this all over the world all the time now. What is inside some men that lead them to attack children?

    In China, victims in school attack survive - latimes.com
    In China, the motives were anger at society from what I read. People are angry. And they are taking their anger out on the most helpless victims in society.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    National news?

    This is international news. And the one question that people around the world wonder is 'why does this go on in the U.S. all the time? There is something about American society that makes these occurances common place in the USA. Something like this seems to happen in the world, outside the U.S. about every 2 or 3 years. Within the U.S. it seems it happens 2-3 times a year. ( I am not sure what the actual numbers are, but I am sure they can be obtained)

    Surely the first step is to try to determine what is it, in American society, that makes these tradegies occur so regularly.
    Maybe its the guns culture, maybe its the obsession with violence, maybe its because the media and the politics are so fear driven.

    The reason needs to be determined first. Then a thoughtful discussion can be taken with regards to steps that can or should, be taken.
    **** like this happens in other countries more often than you would think.


    **** like this just doesn't get REPORTED coming out of other countries all that often.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I heard on Nightline that this is the 13th such incident since Columbine.
    Imagine that......

    Do you think Columbine kicked off crazy? No. It did however, allow crazy people to see that the results of their craziness can be seen around the world... making their loser asses famous.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Your solution is to turn off the tv and imagine your own world? Why are you even posting on here if this is your train of thought?
    Did I say turn the TV off and imagine your own world??

    Please, if you could be so kind as to point to where I claimed one should imagine their own world......



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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    I've never been so bored that I thought going to shoot guns would be more fun than anything else I could come up with to pass the time.
    And that is you........ a New York City liberal.

    I imagine you have to drive ****ing hours to find a place to shoot a gun anyways.

    Thats why I hate places like New York ****ty
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Imagine that......

    Do you think Columbine kicked off crazy? No. It did however, allow crazy people to see that the results of their craziness can be seen around the world... making their loser asses famous.
    shrug...

    I don't know. Maybe...maybe not.

    Anyway...I was just providing information.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And that is you........ a New York City liberal.

    I imagine you have to drive ****ing hours to find a place to shoot a gun anyways.

    Thats why I hate places like New York ****ty
    I like how open minded you are about NYC and it's residents. Funny how some people think New Yorkers have a bad reputation when it's the people who criticize us with cliched generalizations who are the real haters.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Perhaps already discussed, but it is a long thread, and I only went through about the last 100 posts.

    CT has the fourth most stringent gun laws in the country. Regardless, the slain Mother might have seemed responsible by any measure to the authorities, and all indictions are that she had all the proper permits, etc. But she also had an adult-aged son in the house who had some degree of known mental disorder before this incident. Who apparently had access to her guns, even if it meant he knew where Mom hid the key, if she secured them at all. In hindsight, that seems such poor judgement on her part. I believe that there are many who choose not to own a gun precisely because there is some instability in the household, in that while they trust themselves, they know that all in the household are not equally stable.

    I do not know the simple solution.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You mean people like the principal of the school who did all she could to keep the children safe?

    Yeah, we're just a nation of wussies.....
    No. I mean like giving consideration to one of the adults in the school being armed in some way. It is not that the Principal "did all she could". Its that all she could do was not going to deter an armed intruder from exacting extreme mayhem.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    I like how open minded you are about NYC and it's residents. Funny how some people think New Yorkers have a bad reputation when it's the people who criticize us with cliched generalizations who are the real haters.
    What have I generalized?

    I claimed that was YOU who didn't want to go shoot guns.
    I then noted you were a liberal (your profile here says you are) from New York City.

    I then noted that New York City, with all its "guns are bad, mmmmkay" laws probably doesn't have a gun range open to the public for man miles outside the city limits.

    I then noted I hate places like New York ****y because of the clutter and stupid laws.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
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    These are the facts - enough about guns not being a major contributor to gun murders!
    Yep, focus on the tool, not the person.

    Tell me, how exactly are you going to take away those guns? I own several, you are welcome to come try to take them away, but I warn you before hand, I will defend my right to keep them. Unfortunately for you fantasy of getting rid of them, there are approximately 100 million or more of us who own them and will fight to keep them. So how exactly do you plan to accomplish such a feat? Use the military? One, they are prohibited by law from performing law enforcement inside the US. Two, how many of them are gun owners who will fight to keep them?

    How many of those murders were committed with guns obtained illegally? How many would of occurred if the victims were armed and able to defend themselves? What was the occurrence rate of such crimes when most of America was armed vs the occurrence rates after gun laws came into affect? How many of those countries had our level of ownership and successfully took them away? How will people defend themselves if guns are taken made illegal? What exactly are the chances of pushing through a constitutional amendment that would be necessary even to bring about such laws? How is that so many liberals think they can bring the absolution of guns in America without a Revolution/Civil War occurring?
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