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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    sigh...

    guns are not the problem...people are the problem

    gun control in China didn't help these victims: Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China - Courant.com
    ...an interesting conclusion given the article states the 22 were injured by the knife-wielding man...

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    I wonder if people believe guns kill people also believe in the following controls:

    • Planes kill people, like the 9/11 attacks (Plane Control) Not the actual people who decided to hijack the planes
    • Cars kill people, like the recent Dallas Cowboys incident (Car Control) Not the driver DWI
    • Atomic Bombs kill people, like Hiroshima (Bomb Control) Not the people dropping the bomb
    • Gas Chambers kill people, like in Germany (Gas Control) Not the people operating the gas chambers
    Can we get any sillier than this?

    You may or may not believe that gun control is an answer. To try and equate an issue like guns, a weapon that permeates almost every aspect of society, with these other things is absurd.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    This is an incredibly weak argument. You and I get into a rock throwing argument or we get into a gun shooting argument....You have the rock and I have the gun....You're dead and I'm writing this....
    But can a rock be used as a tool to commit the crime of murder?

    Yes? Then we should control it.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...an interesting conclusion given the article states the 22 were injured by the knife-wielding man...
    So what? Do you dismiss those victims in China because they were only slashed with a knife instead of being shot?

    Doesn't alter my point that people are the problem.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    If they have a camera in the front then who is the second gunman?
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    This is a horrible tragedy and I am still in shock. The world is different now in my eyes. Out of the 12 worst shootings in US history 6 have happened since 2007. We need to find out what fuels this. This needs to stop. My daughter is going to grow up in a world different than the one I knew. I think our president be it his words and emotions summarized eloquently what every parent feels now. Let us grieve, pause, then use critical thought to come up with solutions to do everything in our power to prevent anymore mass shootings.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    This is a horrible tragedy and I am still in shock. The world is different now in my eyes. Out of the 12 worst shootings in US history 6 have happened since 2007. We need to find out what fuels this. This needs to stop. My daughter is going to grow up in a world different than the one I knew. I think our president be it his words and emotions summarized eloquently what every parent feels now. Let us grieve, pause, then use critical thought to come up with solutions to do everything in our power to prevent anymore mass shootings.
    k, I figured out the solution.

    STOP ****ING REPORTING THIS **** AS NATIONAL NEWS.........


    These rejects love the idea that their death will have meaning...... stop reporting it and people will stop doing it as often.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    k, I figured out the solution.

    STOP ****ING REPORTING THIS **** AS NATIONAL NEWS.........


    These rejects love the idea that their death will have meaning...... stop reporting it and people will stop doing it as often.
    National news?

    This is international news. And the one question that people around the world wonder is 'why does this go on in the U.S. all the time? There is something about American society that makes these occurances common place in the USA. Something like this seems to happen in the world, outside the U.S. about every 2 or 3 years. Within the U.S. it seems it happens 2-3 times a year. ( I am not sure what the actual numbers are, but I am sure they can be obtained)

    Surely the first step is to try to determine what is it, in American society, that makes these tradegies occur so regularly.
    Maybe its the guns culture, maybe its the obsession with violence, maybe its because the media and the politics are so fear driven.

    The reason needs to be determined first. Then a thoughtful discussion can be taken with regards to steps that can or should, be taken.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    National news?

    This is international news. And the one question that people around the world wonder is 'why does this go on in the U.S. all the time? There is something about American society that makes these occurances common place in the USA. Something like this seems to happen in the world, outside the U.S. about every 2 or 3 years. Within the U.S. it seems it happens 2-3 times a year. ( I am not sure what the actual numbers are, but I am sure they can be obtained)

    Surely the first step is to try to determine what is it, in American society, that makes these tradegies occur so regularly.
    Maybe its the guns culture, maybe its the obsession with violence, maybe its because the media and the politics are so fear driven.

    The reason needs to be determined first. Then a thoughtful discussion can be taken with regards to steps that can or should, be taken.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    k, I figured out the solution.

    STOP ****ING REPORTING THIS **** AS NATIONAL NEWS.........


    These rejects love the idea that their death will have meaning...... stop reporting it and people will stop doing it as often.
    I understand what you're saying. Sickos feed on the attention, and right now some sicko is thinking about a way to "best" this "record."

    Sad fact of life. Not much new, only our awareness because of insta-info of what happened today and, just maybe, a loosening of societal sanctions.

    But it is still news, and if there is anything good that come of today's horrific tragedy, it's that despite an increasingly unshockable society, normal folks worldwide are shocked.

    Never mind the one-issue idealogues who are seizing upon this. "This" is a part of the "human condition," and the graver danger, I would argue, is when the execution of a classroom of babies isn't worthy of discussion.

    What can we do, absent a Minority Report world, to effect change? Anything?

    Whatever the solution may be, pretending to ignore what's real won't work. Let's not "celebrate" the sensational. Of course not.

    But is not the execution of a classroom of 5-year olds newsworthy? It was in Scotland a few years back. Should it not ever be so that we report on and recognize the slaughter of innocents, even if it means giving "glory" to the sickos who perpetrated the crimes?

    And here's what I mean: Name the butcher in Scotland who herded all those kids into the gym. You can't without Googling.

    I can't remember his name...but I remember what happened that day and what a violation of our humanity this remains.

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