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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Cut the BS. Are you claiming there were no adults in the school ? Six were killed. Are they now like "poof" in your world ?
    You mean people like the principal of the school who did all she could to keep the children safe?

    Yeah, we're just a nation of wussies.....

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You mean people like the principal of the school who did all she could to keep the children safe?

    Yeah, we're just a nation of wussies.....
    I edited in more explanation while your were quoting my shorter answer.

    I fault no one in that school. Many were true heroes before they died.

    That is not the point though.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Well sir I didnt know for sure. Thats WHY I asked. If they were huddled in a corner then quite frankly my question is valid. If they did do these things you said then good. Whether you like it or not, their actions bad or good, NEED to be examined, so we may learn. Did they have protocals? If so where they implimented, and if so did they mitgate or succeed in someway or did they fail? I do have the gall to ask these questions, because they need to be asked. I dont know what happened in detail there at the school. No one does yet. I want to know HOW so many where killed, and where the intervention was during that time. If this school had no protcals at all especially considering past events, then there is a MAJOR problem. I dont expect people to be Rambo, but I do expect them do ALL they can to insure the survival of their charges. These circumstances while extrodinary are NOT unknown.
    The school had protocols, but they involved how they go about letting people into the building. Here is a letter the deceased Principal previously sent to the parents:

    Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,

    Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry. Visitors will still be required to report directly to the office and sign in. If our office staff does not recognize you, you will be required to show identification with a picture id. Please understand that with nearly 700 students and over 1000 parents representing 500 SHS families, most parents will be asked to show identification.

    Doors will be locked at approximately 9:30 a.m. Any student arriving after that time must be walked into the building and signed in at the office. Before that time our regular drop-off procedures will be in place. I encourage all parents to have their children come to school and return home on the bus and to remain in school for the entire school day. The beginning and ending of our school day are also important instructional times and therefore we want all our students to reap the benefits of full participation in our program.

    We need your help and cooperation for our system to work effectively. Our office staff is handling multiple tasks. Though they will work diligently to help you into the building as quickly as possible, there may be a short delay until someone can view you on the handset and allow you to come in electronically. There are times during the day when office personnel are on the telephone, addressing student concerns, or in the copy room; there are other times when only one person is in the front office. Please help our staff by identifying yourself and provide your child’s name.

    Keep in mind we will be following our district guidelines which may need revision once we test the system.

    Please know your involvement continues to be critical to our school’s effectiveness and your child’s success. We continue to encourage and value your presence in our classrooms and are counting on your cooperation with the implementation of this safety initiative.

    Sincerely,

    Mrs. Hochsprung
    Newtown School Dustrict Had Recently Installed New Safety Protocols « CBS New York
    For reasons unknown, the gunman was allowed to enter the school.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The school had protocols, but they involved how they go about letting people into the building. Here is a letter the deceased Principal previously sent to the parents:

    For reasons unknown, the gunman was allowed to enter the school.
    We will learn more with time, but I heard it suggested tonight that, as a child of an instructor, he may have been known as a visitor. No one could have predicted the unfolding horror from the son of a teacher. A uniquely tragic scenario was quickly unfolding.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Yes. The phrase I've heard all day was "facial recognition." The shooter lived with his mother, and so he may have been up at the school from time to time as so many kids whose parents are teachers are.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Perhaps we need to evolve our culture into one where personal responsibility is respected, encouraged and promoted rather than this cesspool where excuses are made for every damned **** up and where people turn first to the government to "solve" all that ails them.
    In an Idealistic world, this would work. However, reality has proven time and time again that the majority of people are idiots. Idiots + guns = bad situation.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The people that do this kind of thing intentionally pick "soft" targets. When the urge to become a spree killer hits these people inevitably head to a school or a shopping mall or some other public place. You don't see them heading to police stations or other areas where their rampage is more likely to get cut short.

    The other part of the equation is that behavior like this is usually unpredictable. It's like trying to judge when and where an earthquake will happen. You can see all the factors that make it a possibility but judging when to make the call to evacuate is pretty much impossible. I'd like nothing better than to prevent these lunatics from obtaining implements of destruction but that can't be accomplished without taking away other rights and justifying the "reasonableness" of taking away any rights is tentative at best.

    The facts of the matter are that the vast majority of people are law abiding, sane and rational. Some small percentage of people are not. It's is the antithesis of freedom to apply judgement and consequences to the whole of a population simply because a limited percentage will not abide by the common rules of the society.
    Tell that to airport security
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Another terrible and unnecessary shooting, another year without SOME form of gun control. I really don't mean to politicize it, but that's honestly the very first thing that came to mind when I heard about this.

    We can't sit idly by while the gun lobby and politicians say "oops, well, there's nothing that can be done "

    Something's gotta be done man, something's gotta be done.
    Without some form of gun control?? You mean besides the 20,000+ laws that already exist?

    What additional laws do you think there needs to be that would have prevented this tragedy?
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is exactly the type of society I do NOT want to live in.
    Why, billions of other people seem to get along just fine all around the world where guns are illegal. Hell.. In china, just recently, a man walked into a school and stabbed 20 kids... they were all injured instead of killed.
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