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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
    I don't think that is accurate. Twenty of those who were killed today were around 6 years old and I really don't think they would be much of a threat again a high powered rifle. The other 6 victims were adults most likely females who were probably shot first before they could readily react. I would imagine most would first attempt to cover for a child.

    As for a generation of wimps I say BS. Who do you think is oveseas now wearing the uniform of the US? wimps? Yes, you are disciplined for fighitng in school as it has always been. But go on a sports field now and see the wimps you are talking about. No, I don't think there is anything wrong with this new generation of adults.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
    true enough, when I was a grade school kid I wasn't very big. and I got picked on a few times. so one day when I came home from school with a black eye my mom said to my father-should I call the school and complain My dad said no, I will take care of this and by that he meant (he had been the navy boxing champion) teaching me how to really fight. and he did. and that took care of the problems. all it took was a couple busted noses of bullies and no one hassled me again until I was going into my senior year of high school where a graduating senior =the class asshole-picked a fight with me. by then I not only knew how to box, I had been studying TKD for years. and that fight lasted all of the 8 seconds it took to break the guy's jaw with a snap kick and take out a few ribs. and the only flak I got from the college counselor-upper school chairman was that some of my form was a bit sloppy. no one got in trouble, no one got suspended, street justice was considered legit as long as the bully got his ass kicked

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am going to ask a serious question here. Eight adults along with 20 of their very defenceless charges are dead. I know they didnt have a gun in the school to defend themselves. Did ANY official or teacher in that school MAKE ANY attempt to DEFEND their charges or themselves regardless of their lack of firearms. I learned a LONG time ago when I was much younger that when in death ground there is only one thing to do. FIGHT. HARD. Are people becoming sheep now? Do they not know to defend themselves when in mortal danger? I find it distubing to say the least the ADULTS did very little to defend their charges. Maybe people think I am nuts for brinnging this up, but when people are dying about you it might be a good time figure out how to foil your killers plans or at least put up a fight to maybe encourage them to find easier pickings, there things other than guns that can be improvised into a weopon. Maybe these things occured here. It doesnt seem like it though. I am dismayed at how easy it is for someone to do these mass killings and few if any respond with a fight reflex. Why is it that people dont fight?
    From what I gather from listening to the online broadcast today, certain teachers and staff did what they could...or what they thought was important. I don't fault any of them.

    1. It appears the Principal died while fighting the guy.
    2. Someone...presumably the Principal...activated the intercom which alerted the school that a crisis was in progress. That probably saved a number of lives.
    3. The rest of the teachers and staff were more concerned with protecting the children in their charge.
    4. When the gunman went into the first classroom, the first person he killed was the teacher. After that, he killed the children. A six year old boy in that classroom reported this...after he grabbed a couple of kids, ran past the gunman and escaped.

    Now...it's not out of the realm of plausible possibility that, if the office staff had been armed and trained, this tragedy could have been severely reduced or even averted.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    The worse dictators in history were all in favor of strict gun control laws and passed them

    The Nazis passed strict gun control laws, especially for Jews. Before Kristallnacht they confiscated all the guns from the Jews.

    Stalin did the same thing. Disarmed the public. Only party members could own guns

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    Mao also passed strict gun control laws, disarming the Chinese public.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I don't think that is accurate. Twenty of those who were killed today were around 6 years old and I really don't think they would be much of a threat again a high powered rifle. The other 6 victims were adults most likely females who were probably shot first before they could readily react. I would imagine most would first attempt to cover for a child.

    As for a generation of wimps I say BS. Who do you think is oveseas now wearing the uniform of the US? wimps? Yes, you are disciplined for fighitng in school as it has always been. But go on a sports field now and see the wimps you are talking about. No, I don't think there is anything wrong with this new generation of adults.
    The initial question that the bolded is a response to, was about the preparedness of the adults. Reading is your friend. As for whether or not you agree with me, there is no doubt that our society is being conditioned not to react to violence with violence in return, and unfortunately, it's creating victims.
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    I find it interesting how Colorado Joker, KC Chiefs player, Portland Mall shooter and today's Connecticut elementary shooter all fall into the small age range of 20-25.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The initial question that the bolded is a response to, was about the preparedness of the adults. Reading is your friend. As for whether or not you agree with me, there is no doubt that our society is being conditioned not to react to violence with violence in return, and unfortunately, it's creating victims.
    I don't buy that. Do you have evidence to support that.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
    And just how would it be possible for these children to have fought back?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I find it interesting how Colorado Joker, KC Chiefs player, Portland Mall shooter and today's Connecticut elementary shooter all fall into the small age range of 20-25.
    Based on something I heard on CNN today, it is not unusual for people with serious mental issues to go off the psychotic deep end in their early 20's.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
    What I thought. Thats the same reason 9/11 happened. No one stood up. We can blame the terrorists all we want. We can blame the gunman all we want. We can blame guns all we want. But the truth of the matter is, a large chunk of our society lost their will to stand up in the face of danger and make stands despite their fear. Thats THE fundemental difference between those who want to be able to defend themselves and those who wish to take that away. Wishing and praying and hopeing dont make the evil at your door go away, it is emboldened by fear and thoughtlessness. I used to say to my people before went on mission, "Keep your head and you keep your head. Lose your head and johny jihad gets a nice trophy." Its a crude saying but it still conves the point the allowing fear ,which is good and nessary emotion, to overwhelm and dominate us will in the end be our end. We must overcome it to have higher chances of survival in these type situtations.
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