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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes, thats the answer...INCREASE the availability of weapons....in areas where kids are!

    BRILLIANT!!!
    Use some logic. That teacher may not be a master class shooter with years of training under their belt. But when the unthinkable happens and there is a crazed gunman in the classroom who is going to tie up your daughter, rape her and then shoot her in the back of the head, wouldn't you rather that teacher be equipped to at least try?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Use some logic. That teacher may not be a master class shooter with years of training under their belt. But when the unthinkable happens and there is a crazed gunman in the classroom who is going to tie up your daughter, rape her and then shoot her in the back of the head, wouldn't you rather that teacher be equipped to at least try?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am dismayed at how easy it is for someone to do these mass killings and few if any respond with a fight reflex. Why is it that people dont fight?
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    cough cough....


    Increases in gun ownership lead to a higher gun-homicide rate and legislation allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons does not reduce crime, according to a recent NBER Working Paper by Mark Duggan. After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent. Duggan finds that about one-third of the gun-homicide decline since 1993 is explained by the fall in gun ownership. The largest declines occur in areas with the largest reductions in firearm ownership.
    concealed carry saves search


    thats a pretty damn big list.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    People are being programmed to be followers, minus critical thinking. It's tragic to think that the adults in this situation were so woefully unprepared. But who is to say any of us would have or could have acted differently. I am angered, but mostly still in shock. I'm still not sure how to process this news.
    Maam I KNOW EXCACTLY how would respond. I will say this, I have an adavtage if you can call it that by having had to deal with crisis situtations where people are activily trying to kill you and being dreadfully under armed for a number of years. I would think that schools would have had some sort of protocal for dealing with this type situation. This is NOT an unknown. So what happened to their protocals and why where they not implimented or effective?
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    All I feel right now is hate. I just can't understand how someone could look little kids in the face, and pull that trigger, over and over. And I hate.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Because we have been conditioning society not to fight back, for decades now. When my boys were in school, they were told not to fight back if someone threw the first punch, or they would get suspended just as the initiator would. I told them to always fight back, suspension or not. We have a generation of adults now, who never learned to defend themselves, because of this very thing.
    I would take my brothers to the park and mock fight, spar with them. I would dominate them and then tell them how to beat the situation. People would stare at me like I was insane and they wanted to call the cops. Many, many challenging looks like, "hey why are you fighting that kid?!?!?" My brothers came to appreciate it and were scared of no one in school. But I also used to teach them to be humble.

    Every dad/brother should take kids to the park and beat them up. /sarcasm I mean train them
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am going to ask a serious question here. Eight adults along with 20 of their very defenceless charges are dead. I know they didnt have a gun in the school to defend themselves. Did ANY official or teacher in that school MAKE ANY attempt to DEFEND their charges or themselves regardless of their lack of firearms. I learned a LONG time ago when I was much younger that when in death ground there is only one thing to do. FIGHT. HARD. Are people becoming sheep now? Do they not know to defend themselves when in mortal danger? I find it distubing to say the least the ADULTS did very little to defend their charges. Maybe people think I am nuts for brinnging this up, but when people are dying about you it might be a good time figure out how to foil your killers plans or at least put up a fight to maybe encourage them to find easier pickings, there things other than guns that can be improvised into a weopon. Maybe these things occured here. It doesnt seem like it though. I am dismayed at how easy it is for someone to do these mass killings and few if any respond with a fight reflex. Why is it that people dont fight?
    There have been multiple reports of adults who "fought back" in some way or another. The first two people killed ran into the hallway to see what was happening and address the situation - one of them, the principal, turned on the PA system to alert the rest of the school and was then killed. Another woman put herself in front of a door that didn't have a lock and was shot twice because of it. Another teacher pulled two students who were in the hallway with bullets going right by them into her room and locked the door. Another woman put students into a closet while the gunman was shouting "let me in". I think all of that counts as "fighting back" in some way.

    Now, if your only definition of "fighting back" is going up to a guy with guns, a mask and bullet proof vest and trying to disarm him, then I'm not sure, but I don't know why the **** you would dismiss people in a freaking elementary school of all places as being ****ing "sheep" if they didn't. I don't get that mad at all the pro and anti gun nuts calling for their respective policy changes, but what PISSES ME OFF every single time one of these shootings happen is when people criticize or in some way denigrate the people who were being attacked. These people were in a damn elementary school and they probably did their best to protect their children and themselves in an unbelievably extraordinary circumstance and then people like you have the gall (when you clearly haven't even done much research) to insinuate that if they didn't react the way you think they should, then they are "sheep" or they weren't "defending their charges". Jesus ****ing Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I would take my brothers to the park and mock fight, spar with them. I would dominate them and then tell them how to beat the situation. People would stare at me like I was insane and they wanted to call the cops. Many, many challenging looks like, "hey why are you fighting that kid?!?!?" My brothers came to appreciate it and were scared of no one in school. But I also used to teach them to be humble.

    Every dad/brother should take kids to the park and beat them up. /sarcasm I mean train them
    Imo, every child needs to know that he has the right, and (imo) the obligation to defend himself. I have no tolerance for bullying, but I have no intention of letting someone else handle it for me. I will eagerly defend myself and others from assholes. That is really the only thing that aggressors understand- meet force with equal or greater force.
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