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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    We live in a crazy world, with crazy people and crazy weapons and it's crazy times and little children have to die and suffer...and for what? The Second Amendment.
    It's time to amend the amendment in a reasonable and thoughtful way.
    Tell us:
    What sort of "common sense gun control" would have stopped this?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Which is why we encourage well-informed and safe gun ownership, and the use of safes and such to secure guns not in one's immediate possession.



    Of course, you can't make anything proof against determined intent to harm... and he could have just as easily used a homemade bomb or a sword bought on Ebay and killed about as many.
    Yeah, I read about multiple homicides brought about by swords all the time....

    Pass that over here
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I was not talking about "gun laws".

    My comment was more about the general availability of guns in this country.

    The chance of homicide rises dramatically when guns are around.

    Actually you are entirely wrong; it does not. The availability of firearms appears to have no effect at all on the homicide rate.

    As many times as I've had to post this, it doesn't shock me to have to post it again... but it does upset me to have to belabor this point in the middle of such a tragedy...

    I will list the top nations in order of rates of intentional homicide, also showing their rates of private gun ownership, then show the USA by contrast.

    Name.... homicide rate per 100,000.... gun ownership rate per 100.

    Honduras... 91.6... 6.2
    El Salvador... 69.2 ... 5.8
    Cote d'Ivoire... 56.9 ... not listed
    Jamaica... 52.2 ... 8.1
    Venezuela ... 45.1 ... 10.7
    Belize ... 41.1 ... 10
    Virgin Islands ... 39.2 ... not listed
    Guatemala ... 38.5 ... 13.1
    skipping down a bit...
    Columbia ... 33.4 ... 5.9
    South Africa... 31.8 ... 12.7
    skipping down some more...
    Greenland ... 19.2 ... not listed
    Russia ... 10.2 ... 8.9
    skipping down some more...
    Ukraine.... 5.2 ... 6.6
    Cuba... 5.0 ... 4.8

    And finally, well over halfway down the list...

    USA... 4.2 ... 88.8


    Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    As it turns out, the United States does not have that high of a homicide rate compared to most other countries, and given the amount of privately owned arms we are FAR more peaceable than most on a per-gun-owned basis.

    OBVIOUSLY, gun ownership is NOT directly linked to murder rates.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Tell us:
    What sort of "common sense gun control" would have stopped this?
    Whatever has to be done or could be done to keep guns out of the hands of unstable people. I don't have the answer, but there have to be people in this country who can come up with an answer that we can all live with and keep innocent people safe, for chrissakes.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yeah, I read about multiple homicides brought about by swords all the time....

    Pass that over here

    Actually it has happened. Long Island Ferry, early 80s as I recall. Was much talked about problem in the Phillipines in the 1970s.

    Then there's the guy in Atlanta that killed 4 with a hammer.


    It isn't the tool, it is the murderer.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not willing? He killed her.
    yeah you figured it out. someone willing to kill his mother is going to get a gun. and she probably couldn't have stopped it.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually you are entirely wrong; it does not.
    cough cough....


    Increases in gun ownership lead to a higher gun-homicide rate and legislation allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons does not reduce crime, according to a recent NBER Working Paper by Mark Duggan. After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent. Duggan finds that about one-third of the gun-homicide decline since 1993 is explained by the fall in gun ownership. The largest declines occur in areas with the largest reductions in firearm ownership.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Tell us:What sort of "common sense gun control" would have stopped this?
    that's easy-armed and trained adults in the school

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah you figured it out. someone willing to kill his mother is going to get a gun. and she probably couldn't have stopped it.
    Oh...I thought it was " she was not willing to stop him"

    Keep on modifying what you tell yourself.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    cough cough....


    Increases in gun ownership lead to a higher gun-homicide rate and legislation allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons does not reduce crime, according to a recent NBER Working Paper by Mark Duggan. After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent. Duggan finds that about one-third of the gun-homicide decline since 1993 is explained by the fall in gun ownership. The largest declines occur in areas with the largest reductions in firearm ownership.


    And there are other studies (Lott, Kleck) that show the exact opposite.... but all studies, yours or mine, are often suspect due to pre-existing agendas.

    You ignore the fact that many other nations have homicide rates far higher than our own with only a fraction of the gun ownership rates.


    Apparently Gimmesometruth can't handle the truth.

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