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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The Colorado Joker is still alive to skin and fry.
    I would have no problem whatsoever in the families of the slain each getting full pardons for whatever they felt like doing to him for say 5 hours. Blowtorches, crowbars and car batteries with jumper cables should be supplied by the court

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The Colorado Joker is still alive to skin and fry.
    I forgot about him. Have a feeling he planned to kill himself but didn't have the cojones to do it.

    His suffering would not bother me in the least.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would have no problem whatsoever in the families of the slain each getting full pardons for whatever they felt like doing to him for say 5 hours. Blowtorches, crowbars and car batteries with jumper cables should be supplied by the court
    I wish they'd go after his grad school the way they did Penn State.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    What do you do with your gun? Use it for a hammer? a Light switch? Back scratcher? Visual/tactile stimulation?
    Listen buddy, I've witnessed the murder of an innocent bystander who was the 22 year old mother of two. At least 3 lives were ruined and I can't get the image of a woman being shot in the face out of my mind because of your precious right to own a tool of destruction so you can feel 'safe' or 'tough' or whatever it does for you.
    Your irrational fear of firearms does not equate to a sound argument for taking guns from law-abiding citizens.

    Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone
    This is an outright lie.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Well, I see it as a massively unanswered question. It's obvious the real reason that this stuff happens is because crazy people are crazy and etc. and we could easily go forth and debate cultural morality and the effects of religion and education and so on. However, which is more realistic and immediately effective? Somehow curbing culture or doing something to curb access to guns for crazy people?
    It is illegal for legally-defined "crazy people" to buy or posess fireams.
    Do you belive that making it double-illegal will have any effect?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    What do you do with your gun? Use it for a hammer? a Light switch? Back scratcher? Visual/tactile stimulation? Listen buddy, I've witnessed the murder of an innocent bystander who was the 22 year old mother of two. At least 3 lives were ruined and I can't get the image of a woman being shot in the face out of my mind because of your precious right to own a tool of destruction so you can feel 'safe' or 'tough' or whatever it does for you. Besides my point is that everyone who has a gun will kill someone because they wanted to when they bought the infernal thing. Admit it you want to kill someone you fantasize about it all the time. You're probably wishing you could shoot me and everybody else that doesn't agree with you right?
    I have been dealing with anti gun hysterics for decades and this is probably the most idiotic comment I have ever seen come out of a gun hater

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is a terrible tragedy. I didn't hear the news until later in the afternoon, when the death toll and what had happened was pretty much known, and it all rolled over me like a tidal wave. I felt like someone had gut-punched me, I'm sure I turned pale and looked shocked. It is just inconcievable to me that someone could get so wrong in the head (or heart) as to murder a classroom full of little children. Horrendous, inconcievable, evil act.

    As a parent it just tore a hole in me... I could so easily imagine myself in the place of the parents who lost a child today, and the utter horror and emptiness they must feel, the terrible way that the question "WHY?" must echo through their souls.

    My heart goes out to them, and also my prayers.

    Now we have those who are capitalizing on this tragedy to push their agenda, or who are reacting on emotion to call for instant action of some sort, typically gun control, without taking the time to allow emotions to cool and reason to prevail. To those let me say this: in the heat and heartbreak of such a tragedy is NO TIME to try to set public policy.

    Wild emotion and heated reactions have no place in legislation.

    We have as of yet far too little information to make judgements and decisions that will turn into legislative policy. We have no idea if any form of gun control would have changed the outcome of this tragedy. The odds are it would not have, since guns are readily available on the black market for those who cannot buy legally.

    Many other things have a much better chance of actually CHANGING the outcome of such an event... better school security for starters: I have many questions about how he got in armed and why he was not stopped by an armed school resource officer, questions I as yet have no answers for. In the longer term, changing the way we handle mental illness in this country is very important... HOW did someone get this messed up in the head without someone realizing it and taking steps to intervene?

    But even so, as I said, this is the wrong time for proposing policy or legislation. It will be days or weeks (or longer) before we have enough information to form an accurate picture of how and why this happened, and what could be done that would ACTUALLY help prevent such things, rather than JUST being feel-good actions that won't really change the situation.

    Now is the time to grieve and pray; the time to hug your children and give thanks that they are safe and well; the time to reflect on the preciousness and fragility of life, and to think on those who have lost loved ones today.

    Please, don't turn this tragedy into a political football with the blood not even dry and facts few and far between.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    There has to be a middle ground between allowing open access to guns for everyone and banning all guns outright. Both are extremes and unnecessary, but there has to be something there in the middle where we can say "okay we've come up with a system where responsible people can have guns, but irresponsible people cannot."
    Hmm. Sounds like current federal law.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    It is illegal for legally-defined "crazy people" to buy or posess fireams.Do you belive that making it double-illegal will have any effect?
    why cannot the gun hating handwringers understand that someone who plans on DYING is not going to be deterred by the consequences of breaking a law. The only way to stop a kamikaze is to shoot it down before it KILLS someone or kills YOU

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why cannot the gun hating handwringers understand that someone who plans on DYING is not going to be deterred by the consequences of breaking a law. The only way to stop a kamikaze is to shoot it down before it KILLS someone or kills YOU
    Simple.
    Their position on guns is not at all motivated by a concern for public safety.

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