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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    We'll never be able to keep guns from getting into the wrong hands. I won't ever own a gun, nor do I like being around them. But stricter gun laws won't do a bit of good. What we need is regulation on buying the ammo for guns. A gun is useless without a bullet and right now you can buy bullets really easy and no one investigates how much you buy. Unless you happen to pull a shooting spree, then someone finds out.

    My proposal is making stricter laws on purchasing ammo for guns. If you make it harder to get the ammo, that will reduce these kinds of killing sprees. I understand paranoia people have about protecting their homes by owning a gun. You honestly don't need more than a few bullets to pull that off, unless you have poor aim. If you own boxes of rounds of ammo, then you need to take a step back and ask yourself why you need so much. Unless being a sniper is your day job, it just doesn't make sense.
    People like to shoot for recreation.
    You can realistically go through thousands of rounds in a weekend.

    Guns aren't just for safety/murder, they're for fun to.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I mean, we could build a razor wire fence around schools, mandatory pat downs/strip searches for all incoming people, complete classroom lock down during session times, etc.
    But who would want to go to that school?

    Like I said before though, I'm not a defeatist, but a realist.
    Looking at the whole scope of things, these types of incidents are rare and we live in one of the most safest times humans have ever lived in.
    Real baby steps in making things realistically safer, like mental health evaluations and treatment, things like that would do more than anything else, imo of course.
    I agree. There is a point at which our quality of life is hindered to an undesirable level in the pursuit of security. I can think of plenty of ways to pretty much eliminate violent crime from the entire country, but living in that place would be horrible.

    As far as mental health, it bothers me that it is often a secondary, tertiary or even nonexistent aspect of the debate that surrounds tragedies like this. I understand why guns would be a popular topic since that is tool most of these mass killers use, but still, mental health needs to be larger concern. Guns are what these guys use to express what's already in them, but it's their mental state that gets farther into the causes of their behavior.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    We'll never be able to keep guns from getting into the wrong hands. I won't ever own a gun, nor do I like being around them. But stricter gun laws won't do a bit of good. What we need is regulation on buying the ammo for guns. A gun is useless without a bullet and right now you can buy bullets really easy and no one investigates how much you buy. Unless you happen to pull a shooting spree, then someone finds out.My proposal is making stricter laws on purchasing ammo for guns. If you make it harder to get the ammo, that will reduce these kinds of killing sprees. I understand paranoia people have about protecting their homes by owning a gun. You honestly don't need more than a few bullets to pull that off, unless you have poor aim. If you own boxes of rounds of ammo, then you need to take a step back and ask yourself why you need so much. Unless being a sniper is your day job, it just doesn't make sense.
    when I was a professional level IPSC shooter I shot over a thousand rounds a week in practice. I bought lead or jacketed bullets in lots of 10,000. I buy 9mm by thousand round case lots and 22 ammo in lots of 5000. when I was on the world skeet circuit I would buy cases of shells-lots at a time to save money on shipping.You really don't know what you are talking about-high volume ammunition buyers are not a problem

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    For crimes like this, I support more than the death penalty. I would gladly do the honors of putting a murderer like this one, or the Colorado movie theater shooter, to death in as painful of a manner as possible.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Balls View Post
    We'll never be able to keep guns from getting into the wrong hands. I won't ever own a gun, nor do I like being around them. But stricter gun laws won't do a bit of good. What we need is regulation on buying the ammo for guns. A gun is useless without a bullet and right now you can buy bullets really easy and no one investigates how much you buy. Unless you happen to pull a shooting spree, then someone finds out.

    My proposal is making stricter laws on purchasing ammo for guns. If you make it harder to get the ammo, that will reduce these kinds of killing sprees. I understand paranoia people have about protecting their homes by owning a gun. You honestly don't need more than a few bullets to pull that off, unless you have poor aim. If you own boxes of rounds of ammo, then you need to take a step back and ask yourself why you need so much. Unless being a sniper is your day job, it just doesn't make sense.

    Bud, you mean well, but this isn't going to work. If you can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies, what makes you think you can do that for ammo?

    Also, homemade ammo is easier than homemade guns, and not much harder than homemade meth.

    Also, it isn't like it takes tons of ammo to commit a killing spree like this... the guy probably fired less than 100 rounds total.

    I often fire that much on a weekend when I'm practicing.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree. There is a point at which our quality of life is hindered to an undesirable level in the pursuit of security. I can think of plenty of ways to pretty much eliminate violent crime from the entire country, but living in that place would be horrible.

    As far as mental health, it bothers me that it is often a secondary, tertiary or even nonexistent aspect of the debate that surrounds tragedies like this. I understand why guns would be a popular topic since that is tool most of these mass killers use, but still, mental health needs to be larger concern. Guns are what these guys use to express what's already in them, but it's their mental state that gets farther into the causes of their behavior.

    Exactly! Thank you!


    Mass murderers don't always use guns... but they are almost universally frigging crazy. 'Scuze me, I meant "psychologically abnormal".

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    For crimes like this, I support more than the death penalty. I would gladly do the honors of putting a murderer like this one, or the Colorado movie theater shooter, to death in as painful of a manner as possible.
    yeah the guy who killed those kids should have been subjected to the pear of agony for a few hours and then broken on the wheel and then set upon a red ant hill. But sadly, these cowards tend to kill themselves rather than spending 30 years being someone's prison bitch

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    For crimes like this, I support more than the death penalty. I would gladly do the honors of putting a murderer like this one, or the Colorado movie theater shooter, to death in as painful of a manner as possible.
    The killer knows this. His first slap in our face was killing innocent children. His second slap was shooting himself to avoid facing any consequences.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    The killer knows this. His first slap in our face was killing innocent children. His second slap was shooting himself to avoid facing any consequences.
    which demonstrates that the deterrent use of punishment is pretty much worthless when dealing with kamikazes. the only way to stop a kamikaze is to shoot it down before it kills you

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which demonstrates that the deterrent use of punishment is pretty much worthless when dealing with kamikazes. the only way to stop a kamikaze is to shoot it down before it kills you
    The Colorado Joker is still alive to skin and fry.
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