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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Normally I tend to ignore these kind of tragedies, mainly because I have pretty extreme OCD, and things like this usually triggers that, and I know I'll end up in a ball in my bed not being able to think of much else. But I couldn't help but watch the news, and just cry. This was senseless, this was horrible, and I can't even really imagine how these families are feeling. Today we shouldn't be arguing, we are all family today. May God be with everyone today.
    When there is a death in a family sometimes the mom needs to cry and the dad needs to keep on trucking. For the sake of the family. Even though I say this I still feel empathetic. Although im okay with you calling me crass because of it.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    When there is a death in a family sometimes the mom needs to cry and the dad needs to keep on trucking. For the sake of the family. Even though I say this I still feel empathetic. Although im okay with you calling me crass because of it.
    why does the mom sometimes need to cry and the dad "keep on trucking"? Why cant the dad cry?

    ohh, that's right, the little woman is too week and the man should never cry, right?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    When there is a death in a family sometimes the mom needs to cry and the dad needs to keep on trucking. For the sake of the family. Even though I say this I still feel empathetic. Although im okay with you calling me crass because of it.
    I don't know if YS will call you crass, but I certainly will.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    why does the mom sometimes need to cry and the dad "keep on trucking"? Why cant the dad cry?

    ohh, that's right, the little woman is too week and the man should never cry, right?
    :p Sure it can be the other way around. Im just speaking from a personal experience.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't know if YS will call you crass, but I certainly will.

    If either of my sons die, I will cry just as much as their mother will.
    Some of us cry on the inside. And hold our face steady for those around us.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Another terrible and unnecessary shooting, another year without SOME form of gun control. I really don't mean to politicize it, but that's honestly the very first thing that came to mind when I heard about this.

    We can't sit idly by while the gun lobby and politicians say "oops, well, there's nothing that can be done "

    Something's gotta be done man, something's gotta be done.
    I get it, the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness is almost overwhelming but the reality of the situation is we're a country of over 300 million and all it takes is one lunatic with a couple of guns to cause a mass tragedy like this and new gun laws won't do anything except get guns out of the hands of law abiding people.

    I just heard that the school was upgraded with a security system that locks people out and gives the people inside the ability to buzz individuals in.

    It was insufficient.

    Every class room door should be locked remotely immediately upon shots fired or a locked down scenario and those doors should be bullet proof steel doors. It would isolate the kids and most teachers.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    So what do we do?
    I would argue that you increase chl but that's just me

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    A disappointing response. You certainly are not required to "prove" anything but I wonder why you bothered responding to my original post if I wasn't worth bothering with or communicating with. Isn't this a venue for discussion?




    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You proved yourself to be a defeatist, to be not be able to see that many more things can be done to reduce this when you state such resigning "reasoning". The first step would be for you to understand that you are wrong....but I am not required to prove to you anything. As a matter of fact, I don't have to do anything, I have the right to say you are wrong. i am not required to enlighten you to the multiple avenues that exist for reducing this....and I don't really believe it would make a difference since you have a firm belief that nothing can be done.

    You just keep on going that way at your own peril, that is fine with me.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    This is a terrible tragedy. I didn't hear the news until later in the afternoon, when the death toll and what had happened was pretty much known, and it all rolled over me like a tidal wave. I felt like someone had gut-punched me, I'm sure I turned pale and looked shocked. It is just inconcievable to me that someone could get so wrong in the head (or heart) as to murder a classroom full of little children. Horrendous, inconcievable, evil act.

    As a parent it just tore a hole in me... I could so easily imagine myself in the place of the parents who lost a child today, and the utter horror and emptiness they must feel, the terrible way that the question "WHY?" must echo through their souls.

    My heart goes out to them, and also my prayers.

    Now we have those who are capitalizing on this tragedy to push their agenda, or who are reacting on emotion to call for instant action of some sort, typically gun control, without taking the time to allow emotions to cool and reason to prevail. To those let me say this: in the heat and heartbreak of such a tragedy is NO TIME to try to set public policy.

    Wild emotion and heated reactions have no place in legislation.

    We have as of yet far too little information to make judgements and decisions that will turn into legislative policy. We have no idea if any form of gun control would have changed the outcome of this tragedy. The odds are it would not have, since guns are readily available on the black market for those who cannot buy legally.

    Many other things have a much better chance of actually CHANGING the outcome of such an event... better school security for starters: I have many questions about how he got in armed and why he was not stopped by an armed school resource officer, questions I as yet have no answers for. In the longer term, changing the way we handle mental illness in this country is very important... HOW did someone get this messed up in the head without someone realizing it and taking steps to intervene?

    But even so, as I said, this is the wrong time for proposing policy or legislation. It will be days or weeks (or longer) before we have enough information to form an accurate picture of how and why this happened, and what could be done that would ACTUALLY help prevent such things, rather than JUST being feel-good actions that won't really change the situation.

    Now is the time to grieve and pray; the time to hug your children and give thanks that they are safe and well; the time to reflect on the preciousness and fragility of life, and to think on those who have lost loved ones today.

    Please, don't turn this tragedy into a political football with the blood not even dry and facts few and far between.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think you're right here. Sociopathic behavior starts in childhood. Proven. Fire starters. Injuring siblings. Torturing/killing animals. Enduring physical/sexual abuse. This guy didn't act out of a vacuum. It will be discovered this young man had many issues that were either ignored -- or that we have no way to address until something horrible happens.
    All folks with Antisocial Personality Disorder showed signs of Conduct Disorder in their younger years, you're right. But nowhere near all kids with Conduct Disorder turn into 'sociopaths.'

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