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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I wonder if the shooter was a pot smoker. Certainly that connection would be more important to focus on than guns.

    Something in his mind made him do it, not the inert piece of metal in his hand.
    Since when does pot make people crazy enough to shoot up a school?

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The shooter was the 20 year old apparently.....hard to imagine a 20 year old with a kid at the school really unless they were a parent at like 15.
    This is why I'm patient in waiting for accurate information...instead of listening to rumors.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't agree that it's "pretty much impossible." I think that people tend to confuse "we don't know how to stop it" with "that's impossible." People have been doing that since human beings existed and impossible has been disproved with a great deal of frequency.


    I agree with this. Guns are merely the tool people who are already messed up use to take out whatever is inside of them. Perhaps some people wouldn't have hurt others had they not had access to weapons, but even those people don't erase the reality that a gun is, again, merely what people use to express what is in them. Gun control for these situations would be like putting a band aid on a gaping wound.

    I also agree with you about mental health. It's not just about obvious mental illness, but general state of everybody's mental health. When it comes to making sure that people are healthy, our society tends to focus primarily on physical health. The stigma of seeking help for any mental/emotional issues and the fact that society tends to disregard human emotion in almost everything is taking a toll. There's a lot of quiet desperation and suffering going on and, for some people, it's starting to explode in ways that it doesn't have to.
    Its not just over-focus on physical health. But getting help for mental issues is taboo. Say the wrong thing and you are flagged for life. This permeates.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There's a thread for this, dude. This isn't it.

    Here: go post to your heart's content. This thread should be about mourning this poor babies, not pushing a goddamned agenda.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...g-bad-one.html
    So are you the gun police in this thread? My point is that thiese horrific, nightmare, senseless murders are part of a cause and effect. My heart is broken thinking about how so many lives are and will be effected by this gruesome story. The cause of these murders were a crazed gunman or two using GUNS to get the desired effect - dead children and lives that will be forever altered in a bad, bad, way.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    26 dead including 18 children. This saddens me so deeply. I can't believe someone would do this to elementary school kids for no apparent reason.
    At least 26 dead in shooting at Connecticut elementary school | Fox News
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    We got money for bailouts and preemptive war. But not for common sense layers of security when it comes to the fruit of our society.
    Mt city has has an armed cop at every school since sometime around Columbine anytime the school is unlocked (night events, after-school, etc). Adding probably between 60-80 on duty new cops just to hit your magic number might be a little pricey. It would be cheaper just to arm teachers/staff.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    The dead body was found at the shooter's mother's house per CBS and shooter was from NJ.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    When you say nothing gets done again, you only mean your agenda and restrictions on the gun. You
    wouldn't even remotely consider that some teachers should be armed, or that we should begin to include
    more citizens in the defense of our communities like the beginning of law enforcements history the constable
    or the neighbor who kept the peace. You only want to go after the innanimate object to which we are
    constitutionally granted the right to keep and bear because today - of all horrible days - it is an easy
    target and the failure of the collective to protect its children requires only "your" solution.
    I think the reality is that there isn't any real solution that can prevent insanity like this. What type of person can not only consider this to be a choice but actually freaks out and actually does this?

    I'm curious how you explain the differences in gun deaths in England vs. America?
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Its not just over-focus on physical health. But getting help for mental issues is taboo. Say the wrong thing and you are flagged for life. This permeates.
    I was just talking about this with some people in another thread. Nobody wants to be called "crazy" or "insane" or be labeled with that stigma. This not only prevents people from seeking them for themselves; it also prevents people from confronting friends and family for a variety of reasons. I think it would be good if the standard health class kids have to take in school was able to incorporate mental health as a normal concern that everyone should have instead of the alienating way it's treated in many of those classes today. People need to get educated on this stuff.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Nobody wants to be called "crazy" or "insane" or be labeled with that stigma.
    Dave Chappelle said this best: The worst thing you can do to someone is call them crazy, because you are dismissing them.

    EDIT: I also think it's important to point out that these shooters are all men, who have to live with the stigma of "manning up". This idea permeates our culture so deeply that it isn't even questioned; there are no advocates for men on this issue. Men are taught to "man up" and stuff their feelings down and hide them as much as possible, and not share them with others because they'll be perceived as being weak.

    I don't remember what show it was, but I was listening to NPR recently and they were talking about some kind of study that was done about how women, even if they say they want their significant others to open up about their feelings, they really don't because it makes them uncomfortable. Women for the most part can't or don't know how to handle men when they express their feelings, particularly their negative ones and stuff they are struggling through. I think this significantly plays into these types of incidents because these men are forced to bottle up their feelings until they just snap.
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