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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I wonder if the shooter was a pot smoker. Certainly that connection would be more important to focus on than guns.

    Something in his mind made him do it, not the inert piece of metal in his hand.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    ABC and Reuters have the same reports. One of the suspects was 24, other as young as 20...allegedly.
    The shooter was the 20 year old apparently.....hard to imagine a 20 year old with a kid at the school really unless they were a parent at like 15.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by jakiejakester View Post
    Gun murders in the US are 9 per 100K. In the UK it's 0.22 per 100K. That's about 400 gun deaths in the US for every 1 in the UK....How many people in the UK have access to guns? Coincidence?

    BTW - This is the PERFECT time to reflect on gun violence while we're all sore, hurting, shocked, crying, in pain and angry before people forget again and nothing gets done, again.
    UK also has the highest crime rate in Europe. In fact the colonial cousins have more violent crimes then the US. 8% of the UK citizens will be a victim, while in the US only 2%.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I wonder if the shooter was a pot smoker. Certainly that connection would be more important to focus on than guns.

    Something in his mind made him do it, not the inert piece of metal in his hand.
    Yes, if anything will help us understand this tragedy better, it's reckless speculation.
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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    It does not happen anywhere else, only the USA

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    Anders Behring Breivik (Norwegian pronunciation: [ˈɑndəʂ ˈbeːrɪŋ ˈbrjviːk];[6] born 13 February 1979) is the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks. In a sequential bombing and mass shooting on 22 July 2011, he bombed government buildings in Oslo, resulting in eight deaths, then carried out a mass shooting at a camp of the Workers' Youth League (AUF) of the Labour Party on the island of Utya, where he killed 69 people, mostly teenagers.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Well, it's pretty much impossible to stop this kind of thing.

    First, red flags only become so after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Sure, there are "yellow" flags beforehand, but there's absolutely no way of telling if someone is going to actually do something like this or if they're just shooting their mouth off. Warning signs are ambiguous enough that it's never possible to tell until after the fact.

    Second, even if someone picked up on these signals, what are they going to do? Go to the police? The police would say they couldn't do anything about it because no crime was committed. Have this person committed to a mental institution based on a few things they've said? Does anyone even know how to go about doing something like that? And if so, do you really think that you can get someone involuntarily committed based on a few things that they have said?
    I don't agree that it's "pretty much impossible." I think that people tend to confuse "we don't know how to stop it" with "that's impossible." People have been doing that since human beings existed and impossible has been disproved with a great deal of frequency.

    The problem (and why you are going to see more of these types of actions) is lack of access to proper healthcare, including mental healthcare. This is combined with the broader stresses people are put through (due to the economy, for example). We need a concerted effort to increase access to mental healthcare, and a change in culture that not only broadly promotes mental healthcare but a proactive approach to mental healthcare as well.

    This is a problem with the stigma surrounding mental healthcare, the lack of recognition of mental healthcare as an integral part of one's broader healthcare, lack of access to mental healthcare, lack of insurance coverage for mental healthcare, and so on. Blaming this on guns or a lack of vigilance, or a lack of security are all inadequate band-aid solutions to the broader problem, which is much more complex, deep-rooted and nuanced.
    I agree with this. Guns are merely the tool people who are already messed up use to take out whatever is inside of them. Perhaps some people wouldn't have hurt others had they not had access to weapons, but even those people don't erase the reality that a gun is, again, merely what people use to express what is in them. Gun control for these situations would be like putting a band aid on a gaping wound.

    I also agree with you about mental health. It's not just about obvious mental illness, but general state of everybody's mental health. When it comes to making sure that people are healthy, our society tends to focus primarily on physical health. The stigma of seeking help for any mental/emotional issues and the fact that society tends to disregard human emotion in almost everything is taking a toll. There's a lot of quiet desperation and suffering going on and, for some people, it's starting to explode in ways that it doesn't have to.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    No matter which side of the gun ownership debate you favor keep in mind this person like all others before him and all after will get a lenghty trial someday with psychologists an scociologisrts saying he is "disturbed. I cannot help but wonder what impact if any if our pathetic "justice" system would make room for obvious cases like this and execute within 48 hours it would have on murderers. Obviously this is a case of a monster but who cares, kill him soon. Twenty-six coffins for Christmas.

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    re: Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yeah, let's not focus on the tragedy of several young children dying and instead make a statement about the impending gun control nonsense.
    That's what I was thinking when I quoted him.
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