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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually Alfred Nobel was so distraught reading a newspaper obituary calling him the merchant of death that he rewrote his will to start the prizes. While dynamite has many civilian uses it came as a boon to the military who could use a more stable explosive
    "However the unstable nature of nitroglycerin, especially if subjected to freezing, has rendered it obsolete for military uses."

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Then you have a strange and unusual way of interpreting the words you read.
    And I have said that about you more than once as well...

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In context, Albert Nobel invented dynamite for military purposes. Doesn't matter what it is used for today. Nobel's motivation AT THE TIME is what counts, so I stand by what I said.
    This is unequivocally false.

    Dynamite - Alfred Nobel and the History of Dynamite

    Swedish industrialist, engineer, and inventor, Alfred Nobel built bridges and buildings in Stockholm. His construction work inspired Nobel to research new methods of blasting rock. In 1860, the inventor first started experimenting with nitroglycerine.
    Accidental Invention of Dynamite

    This inventor is known the world over by the prize that bears his name. His start, however, was anything but glorious. Before achieving international fame, Alfred Nobel was famous for blowing up his own factories. A desire to save his factories, as well as his workers, led Nobel to invent Dynamite.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    "However the unstable nature of nitroglycerin, especially if subjected to freezing, has rendered it obsolete for military uses."
    Interesting comment, I suppose looking BACK at dynamite one would state the above.

    However the Nobel Brothers earned the merchant of death moniker before the end of the 19th century, From a contemporary view dynamite was a boon to the military which had few choices for explosives- ALL with drawbacks and safety issues of their own.

    Fact- Nobel recoiled from the merchant of death handle and rewrote his will to endow the Peace Prizes.

    Fact- In it's day dynamite was THE premier explosive, in and out of military service

    Fact- for the most part true dynamite is rarely used as far more modern explosives have made it obsolete...

    But back in the day it was the cat's ass

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Interesting comment, I suppose looking BACK at dynamite one would state the above.

    However the Nobel Brothers earned the merchant of death moniker before the end of the 19th century, From a contemporary view dynamite was a boon to the military which had few choices for explosives- ALL with drawbacks and safety issues of their own.

    Fact- Nobel recoiled from the merchant of death handle and rewrote his will to endow the Peace Prizes.

    Fact- In it's day dynamite was THE premier explosive, in and out of military service

    Fact- for the most part true dynamite is rarely used as far more modern explosives have made it obsolete...

    But back in the day it was the cat's ass
    You're confusing dynamite with TNT.

    I'm exiting from this thread because it has become too partisan and too absurd.

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    You're confusing dynamite with TNT.

    I'm exiting from this thread because it has become too partisan and too absurd.
    Oh contraire mon frere, I know the difference between TNT, which in military forms lacks nitroglycerin, and historic dynamite. I also know what explosives were available in the late 1800's. I also know why Alfred created the Nobel Prizes to start after his death.

    This isn't a partisan issue, Nobel did create the prize as a result of being labeled the merchant of death. Dynamite was a military break through explosive in a world of black powder, nitroglycerin, guncotton and picric acid.

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    So? If I rig the BIG LOTTO and then donate my winnings to charity does that make it okay? Somebody DIDN'T win that lotto because I rigged the system.
    Your analogy is not remotely similar to what actually happened. Jesus Christ you people escalate the conspiracy theories quickly.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your analogy is not remotely similar to what actually happened. Jesus Christ you people escalate the conspiracy theories quickly.
    If Obama was undeserving of the award, someone who was didn't receive it. That's the travesty, Obama was elevated to the award for political reasons, not because of his actions or accomplishments which is the criteria on which it is supposed to be given.

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    Re: AP: Nobel peace prize jury under investigation

    The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to U.S. President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."[1] The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama's promotion of nuclear nonproliferation[2] and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world.[3][4]

    The five members of the Nobel Committee
    are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament to roughly reflect the party makeup of that body. The 2009 Committee comprised two members of the Norwegian Labor Party, one from the left-wing Socialist Left Party, one from the Conservative Party of Norway and one from the right-wing Progress Party. The chairman of the Committee was Thorbjørn Jagland, former Norwegian Labor Party prime minister and Secretary General of the Council of Europe since September 29, 2009. The panel met six or seven times in 2009, beginning several weeks after the February 1 nomination deadline. The winner was chosen unanimously on October 5.[8] but was initially opposed by the Socialist Left, Conservative and Progress Party members until strongly persuaded by Jagland.[9]

    Jagland said "We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future. We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past year. And we are hoping this may contribute a little bit for what he is trying to do," noting that he hoped the award would assist Obama's foreign policy efforts. Involvement in which can now be proven as early as March 2009. Jagland said the committee was influenced by a speech Obama gave about Islam in Cairo in June 2009, the president's efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation and climate change, and Obama's support for using established international bodies such as the United Nations to pursue foreign policy goals.[10] The New York Times reported that Jagland shrugged off the question of whether "the committee feared being labeled naïve for accepting a young politician’s promises at face value", stating that "no one could deny that 'the international climate' had suddenly improved, and that Mr. Obama was the main reason...'We want to embrace the message that he stands for.'"[8]
    Jagland says he (and it was HE through strong arming) did not give the prize for what may happen in the future then contradicts himself several times.

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