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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

NoC_T said:
Another girl who doesn't like chess.

Figures.
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I used to be very good at chess. Please explain where you're going with this so I can play too.
 
Moot said:
I used to be very good at chess. Please explain where you're going with this so I can play too.
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I haven't the foggiest notion.

I generally talk ****, and occasionally someone's willing to endure it.
 
NoC_T said:
I haven't the foggiest notion.

I generally talk ****, and occasionally someone's willing to endure it.
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Meh, thats okay, people don't get what I say most of the time either. See, I can be nice. ;)
 
j-mac said:
Ok, so how was it done in a manner that could in any way excuse assault?
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If you read what I wrote, you should know the answer to that question. :roll:
 
Grant said:
It seems that workers are being paid what they are worth in RTW States where the companies aren't held to ransom. It's a competitive world out there and if businesses can't compete they will just go elsewhere or die. In fact Detroit has become the graveyard for failed businesses.

Monopolies like labor unions are always expensive for everyone and it's a good thing for business, and the consumer, when they are finally broken.
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Worth? Workers can't define worth or fair, so conservatives here have told. But then again, that wasn't question being answered by the links. Workers make less where this laws comes to be. So, pro worker means lowering their pay?
 
Boo Radley said:
Worth? Workers can't define worth or fair, so conservatives here have told. But then again, that wasn't question being answered by the links. Workers make less where this laws comes to be. So, pro worker means lowering their pay?
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In many cases their pay will be lowered to reflect the value of their work. if others are worth more they will be paid more.

Union workers are not defining their worth because few people are identical in their value. Instead they are extorting what they as a group feel they can get away with and thus skew the marketplace. They also have a closed shop where anyone who wants to work must pay the Union bosses, and of course Unions are a very big, and corrupt, business..

I have workers and I pay them what I feel they are worth to me and they are happy with that. It is not to my advantage to pay them less than they are worth because they'll take their value somewhere else, and good people are very hard to find. Even in bad times they're paid because I've invested in them as human beings as well. I believe most employers share the same attitude, at least in smaller businesses like mine.
 
head of joaquin said:
If Fox News wants to send punks to insult working men, they better be prepared for a shiner.

According to Spitzley, Crowder had an exchange with two pro-union men wearing blue jeans, hard hats and Carhartt clothing. One of the men accused Crowder of working for Amway, the family company of Michigan businessman Dick DeVos. Crowder joked that he sells soap.

"He said, 'I sell soap. I should sell you some,'" Spitzley said, quoting Crowder.

Crowder said he never suggested the men needed soap or could use a bath. "That wasn't my intent," he said. He also said he was nonconfrontational throughout the exchange.

Note, Crowder doesn't dispute what he said, he's just pretending it wasn't an insult. Typical rightwing dishonesty.

Steven Crowder Punched: Man Claims Fox News Contributor Goaded Other Union Protesters
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Telling someone they smell isn't against the law. Punching someone is. In no way shape or form does the former justify the latter, especially not in court system.
 
Moot said:
What you saw were union guys cutting the tent to help those trapped inside get out.
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BS!
Why you are being dishonest is anybody's guess.
Regardless as to why, it is very sad.


Moot said:
He wouldn't have the guts to face the man that he sucker punched to the ground and maliciously aligned.
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iLOL
Your narrative is off, which is evident by your making things up. The guy sucker punched him. And no one has been malicious aligned ( iLOL ). :doh

Crowder issued a challenge.
The guy most likely wont accept.
But he will be caught sooner or later.


Moot said:
Did you happen to notice that the fat man holding a sign yelling at Crowder to get out of his face wasn't anywhere near the tent that Crowder was accusing him of tearing down?
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The man was part of the group that had been tearing down the tents. What is your point.
If the man wasn't involved he should have tried to stop his fellow Union thugs from doing so. He is complicit in their activity.


Moot said:
Crowder is digging his own grave. The man doesn't have to accept Crowder's infantile challenge, instead he needs to file assault charges against the SOB.
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iLOL
Ain't going to happen as the short **** was in the wrong and was not assaulted by Crowder as anybody who reviews all the footage can see.
Bet. Make a bet right now.


Moot said:
Kinda like I confused him with a human being. The dude is lost and confused, I felt pity for him. Otherwise I would have risked the punishment to rip him a new one. But now he just bores me.
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iLOL
You should really stop looking in the mirror when accessing other folks.

Nor could you "rip me a new one" even if you tried, because the facts prove you to be wrong and most of all, because what you says matters not to me.
And even though it may make you feel better to do so, you will still be the one in the wrong and will come away looking foolish if you do. Not I.



Moot said:
Great, now the guy can add that to the list of charges against Crowder. Gawd, I hope does.
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No he can't.


Moot said:
He naturally did what any human being would have done that was attacked from behind. If it were me I would have kicked Crowder in his virgin little balls. Yeah, the little coward claims to have been a 24 year old virgin which might help explain his personality disorder.
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More bs huh?
He wasn't attacked from behind.
And it is basically an impossibility for Crowder to have done it, as Crowders back was to the guy at that point in time.
The guy fell to Crowders side.
Really ~ Pay attention.


Moot said:
huh? I don't get it?
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Of course you don't. iLOL


Moot said:
I seriously doubt he'd be the one charged given the evidence at hand not to mention all the witnesses and evidence that has yet to come forward.
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Just because you have an inability to access the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


Moot said:
Well, now that the dust has settled I've rechecked the video and compared it with others and I was slightly wrong and the guy wasn't ducking, he was in fact getting up off the ground. But it was hard to tell because Cowardry edited the part out where he pushed the guy. But that in no way makes Excon right because he still doesn't see it, in fact he can't even tell the video was edited. But I'm done with him.
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Slightly wrong? Holy crap! You were wrong period.
There was no duck, because there was no swing.
Nor could he have pushed the guy, his back is to him. Pay attention to what you are watching and see what is there. Not what you want to be there.

And your comment about editing is as dishonest as everything else you have been saying.
 
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poweRob said:
Looks like Fox News LIED again. Crowder pushed the guy to the ground who then got up and slugged him for it. Video at link and at around minute 1:30 shows this.


As it turns out, Fox Contributor Steven Crowder assaulted a union member

You Fox lovers never learn. They lie to you constantly but you keep going back like an abusive relationship.

They lied to you in the past about unions in Wisconsin being violent by implant false video... you bought it.
They lied throughout the election that Romney was going to win in a landslide... you bought it.
They are lying to you again about this... and you are buying it yet again.

Perhaps you think that they wouldn't lie to you if they didn't love you so much?
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If you believe what you are saying, you are seeing things.
Crowder did not push the guy to the ground. The guy may have thought he did. But it can clearly be seen that he didn't.

The short **** Union thug and his other Union goon pal were clearly pressing their bodies forward in an effort to intimidate and push Crowder and the guy next to him back.
The short **** Union thug in question was going at it verbally with the guy next to Crowder. Crowder turns away.
Crowders back is to the guy as the falls to the side of Crowder, who immediately puts his hands in the air showing he had nothing to do with it.


You are obviously making things up, or are dreaming if you think Crowder pushed him to the ground.


poweRob said:
The man was standing there with his arms crossed and they showed him from his chest up... yet you somehow saw his feet and that he tripped and somehow how he was miraculously cutting the tent ropes with his arms crossed.

You clearly see only what your wishful imagination wants you to see. Fabrications.
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Making up more bs, huh?
He does not have his arms crossed at any moment in the video. Not one.
The wishful imagination is all yours.


poweRob said:
I'd just call it even after the punch but Crowder is using his media position to slander the guy now.
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:doh He is not slandering the guy.


poweRob said:
It doesn't show what I'M saying? LOL

Says the guy that saw a man with his arms crossed and simultaneously cutting the tent ropes.
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No. it clearly doesn't show what you are saying. Especially since the short **** Union thug's arms are not crossed.



poweRob said:
The man should've brushed off getting knocked down and turned the other cheek? You wouldn't expect that from Chowder so why do you expect it from him?
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I would expect the guy to know how he got to the ground in the first place and not blame someone who's back was to him when he fell.
But then again I don't expect most Union thugs to be that intelligent.


poweRob said:
Look man, big crowd, Crowder was confronting the man and that man ended up on the ground. Why are you defending Crowder?
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Wrong! The guy was confronting the guy next to Crowder. Crowder's back was to this guy when he fell.
Why are you defending the guy who assaulted Crowder.
 
j-mac said:
I've watched it over and over now, even in frame by frame, and it just doesn't show what you say it does....Anyway, the punk will probably hide now, because not only would Crowder lay him out in a fair fight, but when he comes forward he will be arrested for assault.
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Absolutely.
It is hilarious that we can see what happened and the other side has to make things up to try and justify bad behavior.




What if...? said:
And third, Crowder WENT there to instigate upset people into doing something he could cobble together to make the union people look like crazy animals. .
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Yeah? Ok? NOT!
He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
He didn't provoke.



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Crowder went there to provoke actions he could exploit for his agenda. Which he edited together to create the reaction he set out to create.

This was absolutely positively not an innocent reporter assaulted by thugs.

Much more like those kids who got mauled by that tiger they were teasing.
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Bs! Why you are choosing to make things up is beyond me.
The actions of the Union goons are there for all to see. Crowder was not provoking them.
If you bothered to look at the "alternate view" video you would have seen the Union thug who was trying to tear down the tent, Crowder trying to stop him and the short **** Union thug defending the guy trying to take down the tent and interfering with Crowder trying to stop the guy. Along with the verbal abuse that he chose to sling at Crowder.
That was not Crowder provoking them.




TaraAnne said:
Okay I looked a both video's and in the second one it looks like Crowder put his hands on the man that hit him. Either we are not being told everything Crowder did and he edited the video. Or something is really fishy here .
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The video of what happened is not edited in regards to the portion in question.
Do you understand that? It is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

It can be found at the following site.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
Do you understand that?

It is also the one that was presented in the "OP" (Opening Post).
It is the one you and everybody else should be familiar with as it is the the one from the OP.
Do you understand that?

If you do, then please watch it. As it is the one that is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

No it doesn't look like Crowder put his hands on the guy prior to him assaulting Crowder.
Crowder's back is to the guy as he falls down by his side. Crowder sees this and immediately puts his hands in the air showing he had nothing to do with it.

So please tell us rational folk just how in the hell Crowder pushed him to the ground when his back was to him?
If there was any pushing of the guy to the ground, instead of him falling on his own, it would have to have been by someone else, not Crowder.
Which I already pointed out long ago.
 
He's baaaaack. I just hope he's not going to stalk me if I ignore him.
 
I don't wanna go through 47 pages of what I'm guessing is very lovely and extremely civil conversation between members of DP, but I just want to make sure we get something clear.

This is about a douche who went into a crowd looking for a fight and he got one from a couple of other douches who were willing to fight with him. I think it's sort of misguided to make it into a greater analogy about union politics.
 
j-mac said:
Tripped on the tent line he was trying to cut? Crowder clearly states in the video "Stop cutting the tent"....
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Well, like I said before I don't think there's conclusive evidence (currently available) to incriminate Crowder, but I do find this odd. You said he tripped on the tent line he was "trying to cut." Look at the video on Fox's page I linked to below. It's an interview with Crowder on Hannity's show and they play a bit more of the clip (at the beginning and about 3 and then 5 minutes in). I don't see any tent line. I also viewed a 7 minute version of the footage uncut and we saw plenty of the ground right where the guy fell -- no tent line. Also that video shows he was not trying to cut the tent line. Doesn't mean he was right and Crowder was wrong, but so far what I see in this story is shameless exploitation and creating a narrative that suits Fox's audience. Also, you're wrong and the video shows you're wrong. The puncher was clearly visible before the incident, wasn't cutting down the tent, and Crowder did have his hands on the guy. And again, no tent line. Did you just make up that explanation or do you have a source?

here's that link
 
Moot said:
He's baaaaack. I just hope he's not going to stalk me if I ignore him.
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Oh looky who's back also.
The person who can't refute the evidence and dishonestly makes it up as she goes along.
Go figure!
 
Cilogy said:
I don't wanna go through 47 pages of what I'm guessing is very lovely and extremely civil conversation between members of DP, but I just want to make sure we get something clear.

This is about a douche who went into a crowd looking for a fight and he got one from a couple of other douches who were willing to fight with him. I think it's sort of misguided to make it into a greater analogy about union politics.
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Accept your narrative is off. He didn't go looking for a fight.
And as one can see the other group is the one who started it.
So maybe you should go through the evidence presented in those 47 pages before commenting.
 
Excon,

The video is edited and Crowder has not been honest about what he was doing. It is not the first time a Breitbart lacky has been dishonest, niether is it the first time a Republican Comedy Channel (Fox News) contributer been caught in a massive lie!
Yeah? Ok? NOT!
He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
He didn't provoke.
 
Mustachio said:
Well, like I said before I don't think there's conclusive evidence (currently available) to incriminate Crowder, but I do find this odd. You said he tripped on the tent line he was "trying to cut." Look at the video on Fox's page I linked to below. It's an interview with Crowder on Hannity's show and they play a bit more of the clip (at the beginning and about 3 and then 5 minutes in). I don't see any tent line. I also viewed a 7 minute version of the footage uncut and we saw plenty of the ground right where the guy fell -- no tent line. Also that video shows he was not trying to cut the tent line. Doesn't mean he was right and Crowder was wrong, but so far what I see in this story is shameless exploitation and creating a narrative that suits Fox's audience. Also, you're wrong and the video shows you're wrong. The puncher was clearly visible before the incident, wasn't cutting down the tent, and Crowder did have his hands on the guy. And again, no tent line. Did you just make up that explanation or do you have a source?

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Ok that's fair, I don't absolutely know what the guy could have tripped on, another foot, a rock on the ground, hell maybe over his own feet....Who knows? You have people in here making up wild accusations based on what was edited out, then promoting it like it was a fact. I don't see you highlighting their postings and refuting that.

Mostly people in here saying that Crowder "got what he deserved" are those that cheer on violence against those that don't agree with their ideology, people like Harry Belafonte who said on MSNBC the other day that Obama should just jail people that don't support him. This is absurd.

The law is clear, if you are in an verbal altercation, the onus is on YOU not to escalate the situation, or physically take action. People have a right, protected by the constitution of the United States to travel freely, speak freely, and be secure in their persons. IOW, if you don't like what someone is saying to you, it is on YOU to walk away, or ignore, or even change the channel. I don't get why liberals constantly have to feel like they need to silence those dissenting voices through a heavy handed government action, or by violence.

So what we have here is pure childishness, just read through the thread. Changing Crowder's name, trolling, making stuff up, using completely biased blogs from others as if it is factually based journalism, acceptance of using violence against those that don't agree with your own point of view....It is a devolving of our society brought about by a generation that has NO CLUE as to what they are pushing.

You want to defend this be my guest. I won't...
 
TaraAnne said:
Excon,

The video is edited and Crowder has not been honest about what he was doing. It is not the first time a Breitbart lacky has been dishonest, niether is it the first time a Republican Comedy Channel (Fox News) contributer been caught in a massive lie!
Yeah? Ok? NOT!
He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
He didn't provoke.
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None of that, let me repeat NONE OF THAT justifies you, and others making stuff up to bolster your own narrative, nor does it justify assault.
 
j-mac said:
None of that, let me repeat NONE OF THAT justifies you, and others making stuff up to bolster your own narrative, nor does it justify assault.
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I am not making stuff up going by what was posted in the article about editing of the video. If you haved a problem with that go yell at Faux News. Plus just by the video alone he was getting in atleast one persons face that had nothing to do with tearing down of the tent.

The guy went there looking for a problem and he found one. I hope the full story gets out we have yet to hear the other side. I willing to bet the police are looking into this and I will stand by their decision to arrest whom ever they see at fault. Which will probably be both of them. Oh and if Crowder touched the man in anyway shape or for he is justified in hitting him.
 
TaraAnne said:
I am not making stuff up...
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Oh you absolutely are....You don't remember when you said....

Okay I looked a both video's and in the second one it looks like Crowder put his hands on the man that hit him.
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Then you go on for pages repeating that Crowder put his hands on the man, even after it was point out to you that Crowder's back was to him when he fell...You are being dishonest.

The guy went there looking for a problem and he found one. I hope the full story gets out we have yet to hear the other side. I willing to bet the police are looking into this and I will stand by their decision to arrest whom ever they see at fault. Which will probably be both of them. Oh and if Crowder touched the man in anyway shape or for he is justified in hitting him.
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Well, Crowder is pretty easy to find, he's been on national tv talking about it, so yeah, I don't think anyone is looking for him....On the other hand, it is about more than some union thug and his assault on Steven Crowder....The people in the tent were harmed as well, including a hot dog vendor that had his equipment destroyed by the union....

Conservatives demand justice for Michigan attack - Washington Times


This guy had nothing to do with advocating either side of it, yet because he was asked, and was paid to provide services to AFP at the rally, he was attacked by the union idiots as well....You must be so proud.
 
 
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