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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

Nonsense. So, people that disagree with your point of view are "asking for it"?

While I may not agree with him, I think he's speaking to the how it was done and not that there was disagreement. People should control themselves even when dealing with an ass, which is where I might disagree with him.
 
It's not that they had it coming, its more like they got they wanted.

Why were they there if not to provoke the very people whose livelihoods they are helping to destroy?

They wanted to be pushed, punched and have their property destroyed?

That's quite a conspiracy theory you have going there.
 
While I may not agree with him, I think he's speaking to the how it was done and not that there was disagreement. People should control themselves even when dealing with an ass, which is where I might disagree with him.

Ok, so how was it done in a manner that could in any way excuse assault?
 
This is the video in question.....



At :37 Crowder takes the first swing and the union guy ducks. The rest is just squirmishing. And yes, Steve Crowder is a Breitbart activist and you're the only whose mentioned PJTV. Now why would you say that?


This is from the NYT.....


"Unfortunately for Mr. Crowder, a look at the video broadcast on the Sean Hannity show appears to show quite clearly that he left out an important section of the footage when he put together his edit. A section of the Fox News broadcast preserved by the Web site Mediaite shows that Mr. Hannity’s producers at Fox News started the clip five seconds earlier than Mr. Crowder did. What the extra footage reveals is the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian.

There is one more anomaly in Mr. Crowder’s edit of the footage shot by his associates. The still frame he used for the clip’s title image on YouTube, which offers a much clearer image of the man punching him, was obviously shot by a second camera, from an entirely different angle than the rest of the footage he presented of the man hitting him. If Mr. Crowder wants to clear up the mystery of exactly what happened just before he was punched, it might make sense for him to release any footage of the incident shot from that second angle....

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News - NYTimes.com


It gets better, you should read it.

Mr. Crowder is a fraud.


There is no sign in that video that Crowder hit anyone.
 
Ohhh I see, so the protest was about AFP and Breitbarts rights now, huh? Nevermind that Republicans didn't consider the unions rights when they passed the right to work legislation without notice, debate, vote or a referendum. Tyrants and dictators around the world must be thrilled with the unraveling of our democracy. I mean really who needs enemies when we have Republicans to destroy our country from within? Oh goody we get to be like Egypt now.

They passed laws defending Worker's Rights over Union Rights, which is as it should be.

Yes, the behavior of the Union thugs does seem similar to whats going on in Cairo where the rights of the individual is also being suppressed by organized thuggery.
 
There is no sign in that video that Crowder hit anyone.


Yeah, I didn't see it either, what I did notice was that the union thugs were cutting down the tents with people in them, and Crowder tries to get them to stop it, but no punches from him...In fact he is throwing his hands in the air....

Just for those who don't know Crowder fights Amateur MMA, I am sure he could have knocked Mr. two Jelly doughnuts out if he wanted to.
 
I did find these:

Back to the study. Just what did the Economic Policy Institute find?:

* Women's wages dropped 4.4 percent in states where unionized companies made union dues optional. (Men's wages were 1.7 percent lower).

* The hit to wages was higher among non-whites. Blacks and Hispanics were paid 4.8 percent and 4.4 percent less than their non-union peers.

* On average, annual wages and benefits are $1,500 lower in RTW states than for comparable workers in non-RTW states — for both union and nonunion workers.

* Right-to-work laws widened the pay gap between men and women.

Do Right-To-Work states hurt wages? | StarTribune.com

We find that the mean effect of working in a right-to-work state results in a 6% to 8% reduction in wages for workers in these states, with an average wage penalty of 6.5%. Controlling for regional costs of living reduces this amount to approximately 4%. We find that previous research reporting real wage gains associated with right-to-work states is almost purely the result of border cities that benefit from their proximity to a non-RTW state.

The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute

(A large Economic Policy Institute study from 2011 found that, after controlling for a host of factors, right-to-work states have lower wages on average than pro-union states.)

(snip)

Lonnie Stevans in 2007 found that right-to-work laws do help boost the number of businesses in a state — but the gains mostly went to owners, while average wages went down. ”

What do ‘right-to-work’ laws do to a state’s economy?

It seems that workers are being paid what they are worth in RTW States where the companies aren't held to ransom. It's a competitive world out there and if businesses can't compete they will just go elsewhere or die. In fact Detroit has become the graveyard for failed businesses.

Monopolies like labor unions are always expensive for everyone and it's a good thing for business, and the consumer, when they are finally broken.
 
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Nonsense. So, people that disagree with your point of view are "asking for it"?

I recall some threads when the constitutional ban on flag burning amendment was being discussed. Many on the right said that if someone is burning an American flag they are asking to get their asses kicked.

Hell just ask Navypride what he would do if someone burned a flag in front of him.
 
I recall some threads when the constitutional ban on flag burning amendment was being discussed. Many on the right said that if someone is burning an American flag they are asking to get their asses kicked.

Hell just ask Navypride what he would do if someone burned a flag in front of him.

That was hypothetical, this is reality.
 
Nonsense. So, people that disagree with your point of view are "asking for it"?

He wasn't just disagreeing, he was up in the old guys face and pushed him on the ground. Just a bully that got what was coming to him as far as I am concerned.
 
He wasn't just disagreeing, he was up in the old guys face and pushed him on the ground. Just a bully that got what was coming to him as far as I am concerned.


At least in the video you provided, I did not see what you claim happened...Now it is obvious that the video was edited, so if you have something that shows this supposed 'first move' on Crowder's part, I am open to see it...
 
At least in the video you provided, I did not see what you claim happened...Now it is obvious that the video was edited, so if you have something that shows this supposed 'first move' on Crowder's part, I am open to see it...

They showed it on the news last night. And Crowder laughing about it in an interview. I would venture a guess that if he continues be a smart ass to those who's survival is at stake, it will probably not be the last time he gets punched.
 
I saw the video and watched the clown interviewed. The dude asked to get punched by the old-timer that punched him.
No he didn't.



He wasn't just disagreeing, he was up in the old guys face and pushed him on the ground. Just a bully that got what was coming to him as far as I am concerned.

No he didn't.


Go to the video that is in the article linked to in the OP.
That video is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

Here is the link to the article for the lazy.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News

The guy goes to the ground but not by Crowders hands.

It isn't edited. You just don't see the reason why he fell to the ground. But we can see it is not because of Crowder.

Find the video here. Which is the video I asked you to review. The portion in question is not edited.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
Start @ the 1:20 mark.
The portion in question is not edited.



And then you can start @ the 1:22 mark in this one if you wish for the alternative view.



The old guy was getting into Crowder's face for trying to stop other Union thugs from tearing down the tent.
 
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They showed it on the news last night. And Crowder laughing about it in an interview. I would venture a guess that if he continues be a smart ass to those who's survival is at stake, it will probably not be the last time he gets punched.

Where's the link?
 
They showed it on the news last night. And Crowder laughing about it in an interview. I would venture a guess that if he continues be a smart ass to those who's survival is at stake, it will probably not be the last time he gets punched.


Then it should be easy for you to provide the video that proves that Steven Crowder pushed the guy....I'll wait.
 
No he didn't.





No he didn't.


Go to the video that is in the article linked to in the OP.
That video is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

Here is the link to the article for the lazy.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News

The guy goes to the ground but not by Crowders hands.




The old guy was getting into Crowder's face for trying to stop other Union thugs from tearing down the tent.

Yeah, I saw Union guys destroying the tent, and intimidating, and at one point physically attacking a guy....What I didn't see is anything to the liberal claim that Crowder pushed the guy first, or that he deserved the assault.
 
Yeah, I saw Union guys destroying the tent, and intimidating, and at one point physically attacking a guy....What I didn't see is anything to the liberal claim that Crowder pushed the guy first, or that he deserved the assault.
Well you know liberals. They have a different standard (depending on the circumstances), for what the word "deserve" means.
 
No he didn't.

"the New York Times reported:

"Unfortunately for Mr. Crowder, a look at the video broadcast on the Sean Hannity show appears to show quite clearly that he left out an important section of the footage when he put together his edit. A section of the Fox News broadcast preserved by the Web site Mediaite shows that Mr. Hannity’s producers at Fox News started the clip five seconds earlier than Mr. Crowder did. What the extra footage reveals is the man who punched Mr. Crowder being knocked to the ground seconds before and then getting up and taking a swing at the comedian."

Steven Crowder Doesn
 
Yeah, I saw Union guys destroying the tent, and intimidating, and at one point physically attacking a guy....What I didn't see is anything to the liberal claim that Crowder pushed the guy first, or that he deserved the assault.


Obviously you 'believe' you saw "Union guys destroying the tent" but the participants are starting to tell a different story today

New Villain Emerges In AFP Tent-Gate: Guy Fawkes-Masked ‘Radical Anarchists’

The tale of the Michigan AFP Tent just got a lot more interesting.

A spokesperson for conservative group Americans For Prosperity told TPM on Thursday the tent’s collapse this week during protests outside the state capitol may have been instigated not by union protesters — some of whom were “helping us” after the tent collapse, she said — but rather by “radical anarchists” wearing Guy Fawkes masks and coming from the Occupy movement. ... Meanwhile union supporters continued to say the tent was felled by AFP members themselves, a charge Patnaude called “upsetting.”

The collapse has become a rallying cry for conservatives, who claim it is evidence of “union thuggery” during the Tuesday protests

The AFL-CIO condemned the tent incident and claimed its members assisted evacuating AFP supporters from the structure. Patnaude confirmed that was true for at least “some” union supporters.
 
There is no sign in that video that Crowder hit anyone.

I don't think you can tell exactly what happened, but I have to admit that I'm on the fence here. Crowder had his hands on him (the guy who punched him), and then the guy fell before getting up and throwing the punches.

So how do you think he fell down if Crowder didn't push him?
 
Obviously you 'believe' you saw "Union guys destroying the tent" but the participants are starting to tell a different story today


No, the guy I saw in the video cutting the tent line was wearing the white hard hat with union stickers on it, and a engineer symbol on the front of the helmet. The only 'Guy Falkes' mask I saw was some little punk for about a second passing through...Also to note the guys cutting the tent up with knives were also in hard hats, and Carhartt jackets with safety vests on....This is just more lies.
 
I don't think you can tell exactly what happened, but I have to admit that I'm on the fence here. Crowder had his hands on him (the guy who punched him), and then the guy fell before getting up and throwing the punches.

So how do you think he fell down if Crowder didn't push him?


Tripped on the tent line he was trying to cut? Crowder clearly states in the video "Stop cutting the tent"....
 
Obviously you 'believe' you saw "Union guys destroying the tent" but the participants are starting to tell a different story today

Looks like we may have been "O'Keefe'd". (If that term isn't in some urban dictionary it should be.)
 
This stuff is nothing compared to real labor disputes. History is full of insightful stuff . . . I hate seeing it be repeated. I find it quite puzzling how effective the government is in turning middle class folks against middle class folks. Brilliant and evil all at the same time. Yet the Rich stay Rich. Those who want Unions eliminated . . . be careful what you wish for.

Man . . . if the last 120-years was on video it would be like watching a rerun.
 
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