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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

Has anybody considered that the guy who issued a MMA challenge to the guy who punched him may have done the same in the moments edited out of the video?
 
Obviously not.


You mean like you making things up, as there is no first swing by Crowder
Look at the video again. You are making things up. That is called being dishonest.
It is either that, or you are delusional. Which one is it?




Oy vey! How many times do I have to ask?

When are you going to prove this?
I do not know what you say to be true at all.
And as far as I know, it wasn't posted at Breitbart first either, but on Crowder's youtube channel, so prove that while you are at it.



No. The healthcare bill is going to **** this Country up, and make more suffer.

Conservatives don't get to present edited videos anymore.

Raws or nothing.
 
I live in a right to work state and the wages here haven't gone up since the 1970s when they passed the law. My sister has worked at her bank job for thirty years and still only makes a lousy $13 an hour even though she's been promoted to VP of her division. I don't know how she does it. I had to move to California to make a six figure income. I could never have made that much here in a right to work state unless I owned the company. Be careful what you wish for, Samhain.

I did find these:

Back to the study. Just what did the Economic Policy Institute find?:

* Women's wages dropped 4.4 percent in states where unionized companies made union dues optional. (Men's wages were 1.7 percent lower).

* The hit to wages was higher among non-whites. Blacks and Hispanics were paid 4.8 percent and 4.4 percent less than their non-union peers.

* On average, annual wages and benefits are $1,500 lower in RTW states than for comparable workers in non-RTW states — for both union and nonunion workers.

* Right-to-work laws widened the pay gap between men and women.

Do Right-To-Work states hurt wages? | StarTribune.com

We find that the mean effect of working in a right-to-work state results in a 6% to 8% reduction in wages for workers in these states, with an average wage penalty of 6.5%. Controlling for regional costs of living reduces this amount to approximately 4%. We find that previous research reporting real wage gains associated with right-to-work states is almost purely the result of border cities that benefit from their proximity to a non-RTW state.

The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute

(A large Economic Policy Institute study from 2011 found that, after controlling for a host of factors, right-to-work states have lower wages on average than pro-union states.)

(snip)

Lonnie Stevans in 2007 found that right-to-work laws do help boost the number of businesses in a state — but the gains mostly went to owners, while average wages went down. ”

What do ‘right-to-work’ laws do to a state’s economy?
 
Has anybody considered that the guy who issued a MMA challenge to the guy who punched him may have done the same in the moments edited out of the video?
Oh gawd!
Look at the video in the article linked to in the OP.
The portion of the video in question is not edited.



Then after you do that, view the following for an alternative unedited look at the portion in question.



And then while you are at it, you can tell Moot she is wrong about Crowder swinging. Neither video shows any such thing.


Conservatives don't get to present edited videos anymore.

Raws or nothing.
Funny!
You do not get to make that decision for all.

Debunk or fail is as it stands.
 
The discussion is related to the action of a union person ASSUMED to be a democrat. And OWS also came up in that discussion.

You're right, a lot of union workers are republican and NRA members. So if they don't like their higher wages and retirement benefits that their union protects, then let them eat guns.
 
Has anybody considered that the guy who issued a MMA challenge to the guy who punched him may have done the same in the moments edited out of the video?
Well, he is a comedienne.
 
Oh gawd!
Look at the video in the article linked to in the OP.
The portion of the video in question is not edited.



Then after you do that, view the following for an alternative unedited look at the portion in question.



And then while you are at it, you can tell Moot she is wrong about Crowder swinging. Neither video shows any such thing.


Funny!
You do not get to make that decision for all.

Debunk or fail is as it stands.


You got a time stamp.for the video you posted?

I'm not watching that again.
 
You got a time stamp.for the video you posted?

I'm not watching that again.

Further, the original.video DOES edit oit the seconds before the fight. We DO NOT see how the union guy came to be down.
 
Further, the original.video DOES edit oit the seconds before the fight. We DO NOT see how the union guy came to be down.
It isn't edited. You just don't see the reason why he fell to the ground. But we can see it is not because of Crowder.

Find the video here. Which is the video I asked you to review. The portion in question is not edited.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
Start @ the 1:20 mark.
The portion in question is not edited.



And then you can start @ the 1:22 mark in this one if you wish for the alternative view.
 
I did find these:

Back to the study. Just what did the Economic Policy Institute find?:

WOW, just WOW...you do know who the EPI is...right?

Board of Directors | Economic Policy Institute

Lookie there of the 30 on the board of directors 11 are/were union officials the rest are part of way left leaning organizations. You think that may have jaded their assertions?
 
It isn't edited. You just don't see the reason why he fell to the ground. But we can see it is not because of Crowder.

Find the video here. Which is the video I asked you to review. The portion in question is not edited.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
Start @ the 1:20 mark.
The portion in question is not edited.



And then you can start @ the 1:22 mark in this one if you wish for the alternative view.


There's an edit RIGHT BEFORE blows are thrown by the union guy in the op video.

Can't see what you're talking about in the second. On my phone, can't do slomo or frame by frame.
 
There's an edit RIGHT BEFORE blows are thrown by the union guy in the op video.
No there is not. The video is contiguous.
There is no break at the portion in question.
You being on your phone may be the reason you can not tell.
The second is there as an alternate unedited view.
 
It isn't edited. You just don't see the reason why he fell to the ground. But we can see it is not because of Crowder.

Find the video here. Which is the video I asked you to review. The portion in question is not edited.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
Start @ the 1:20 mark.
The portion in question is not edited.



And then you can start @ the 1:22 mark in this one if you wish for the alternative view.


If you think thats the video that I was referring to Excon, you'd be wrong and likely explains why you can't find the :37 mark I referred to. I posted it for you, why didn't you look at it?
 
If you think thats the video that I was referring to Excon, you'd be wrong and likely explains why you can't find the :37 mark I referred to. I posted it for you, why didn't you look at it?
iLOL
It would explain why you are confused.
Did I ever say that is the video to which you are referring?
What was that?
I didn't?
So why are you insinuating something that wasn't said?

It was clear what I said. Go back and read it.
 
Do I have to join the union to punch a FOXNews contributor in the face?

Where do I sign up? LOL!
 
Do I have to join the union to punch a FOXNews contributor in the face?

Where do I sign up? LOL!
First you need to contact your local police, give them all your personal information and declare your intent.
Then have at it. You will enjoy the results. Strike that. It will be others who will enjoy the final results.
 
First you need to contact your local police, give them all your personal information and declare your intent.
Then have at it. You will enjoy the results. Strike that. It will be others who will enjoy the final results.

But I live in a "Right-to-Punch-FOXNEWS-in-the-face," state. LOL!
 
If you think thats the video that I was referring to Excon, you'd be wrong and likely explains why you can't find the :37 mark I referred to. I posted it for you, why didn't you look at it?
And just because I wish to show everybody how dishonest you are being.
It was previously addressed.

There is no swing by Crowder at the :37 mark, in the video you provided (which is actually the video I originally provided to make a different point).
Which can also be confirmed in the video I mention first in the below quote, in which the portion in question was not edited.

This is the video in question.....
As I have repeatedly stated, go back to the article linked to in the OP. Watch the video. That is the one which opened this topic.
It is not edited at the point in question.
Here is the link, AGAIN!
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News


This is the video in question.....

UNIONS ASSAULT ON CAMERA!! - YouTube

At :37 Crowder takes the first swing and the union guy ducks. The rest is just squirmishing.
You are purposely being dishonest.
There is no swing by Crowder at the :37 mark. None.


If you are still having difficulty understanding what has been said ~ it means go to the following link and watch the video there.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
It just confirms that there is no swing by Crowder in the video you provided.

You are and were wrong!
 
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Why so snotty Excon, I'm just trying to help you because you don't seem to comprehend that there is more than one video. Why? Because there was more than one camera. Everyone seems to get that but you. Why? I dunno, is it genetic deficiency?


Even the NYT has written about it.....

"...Selective editing at about 0:39 mark shows what appears to be union guy attacking Crowder for no apparent reason. However, if you look closely, you’ll see that the guy is getting up off the ground — that he was NOT the one that became aggressive first...."

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News - NYTimes.com

He's not getting up off the ground in this video, he's ducking Cowdry's blow just like I said. There is also another video that was shown on FoxNews where the union guy is on the ground after Cowdry shoved him. Cowdry says there are hours and hours of video because they were filming all day. Admitting that was mistake on his part because people can tell the time of day changes with the editing as does the locations. But he spliced them together to make it appear it all happened at once but many of the shots are in fact hours apart.


So when Cowdry says he was trying to stop them from tearing down the tent....HE"S LYING. The man in the video that is telling Cowdry to get out of his face is no where nowhere near the tent. This has been verified by many witnesses and the video itself.

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It sucks being wrong, doesn't it Excon?
 
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Why so snotty Excon, I'm just trying to help you because you don't seem to comprehend that there is more than one video. Why? Because there was more than one camera. Everyone seems to get that but you. Why? I dunno, is it genetic deficiency?


Even the NYT has written about it.....

"...Selective editing at about 0:39 mark shows what appears to be union guy attacking Crowder for no apparent reason. However, if you look closely, you’ll see that the guy is getting up off the ground — that he was NOT the one that became aggressive first...."

Selective Editing by Fox News Contributor Revealed by Fox News - NYTimes.com

He's not getting up off the ground in this video, he's ducking Cowdry's blow just like I said. There is also another video that was shown on FoxNews where the union guy is on the ground after Cowdry shoved him. Cowdry says there are hours and hours of video because they were filming all day. Admitting that was mistake on his part because people can tell the time of day changes with the editing as does the locations. But he spliced them together to make it appear it all happened at once but many of the shots are in fact hours apart.


So when Cowdry says he was trying to stop them from tearing down the tent....HE"S LYING. The man in the video that is telling Cowdry to get out of his face is no where nowhere near the tent. This has been verified by many witnesses and the video itself.

Steven Crowder On Union Brawl: If I Defended Myself, ‘They Would Have Killed Me Where I Stood’ | Mediaite

Hannity Guest Confronts Steven Crowder: ‘You Deserve What You Got’ | Mediaite

It sucks being wrong, doesn't it Excon?
The snot is all yours and all I am doing is returning it to you.
I wouldn't know what it is like to be wrong in this case, since it is you who have been proven to be wrong.
And the only lack of understanding here is yours, as has been proven.
And I haven't ignored a video like you have. Funny thing is, that it is the one that proves you wrong. Go figure. Huh?

There was no swing or blow by Crowder. You are purposely being dishonest.

You can cease your deceitfulness at any time and admit that Crowder did not swing.


And again. The NYT bs has already been addressed.
And one of the reasons I directed you and others to the video in the article of the OP. Because the portion in question isn't edited out.
The guy on the ground doesn't mean he didn't slip and fall on his own.
It doesn't mean that he didn't fall after swinging first.
The guy getting up off the ground does not mean that he did not act violently first.
It does not mean that he did not act violently toward Crowder first.
Do you not understand that?

You, the person being dishonest, saying that Crowder is lying because he says he was trying to stop them from tearing down the tent, is absolutely hilarious.
Because that is exactly what his actions appear to be in the "alternate view" video I provided. :doh
Which is when little short **** Union thug told him not to touch the very Union members trying to tear down the tent.
 
The snot is all yours and all I am doing is returning it to you.
I wouldn't know what it is like to be wrong in this case, since it is you who have been proven to be wrong.
And the only lack of understanding here is yours, as has been proven.
And I haven't ignored a video like you have. Funny thing is, that it is the one that proves you wrong. Go figure. Huh?

There was no swing or blow by Crowder. You are purposely being dishonest.

You can cease your deceitfulness at any time and admit that Crowder did not swing.


And again. The NYT bs has already been addressed.
And one of the reasons I directed you and others to the video in the article of the OP. Because the portion in question isn't edited out.
The guy on the ground doesn't mean he didn't slip and fall on his own.
It doesn't mean that he didn't fall after swinging first.
The guy getting up off the ground does not mean that he did not act violently first.
It does not mean that he did not act violently toward Crowder first.
Do you not understand that?

You, the person being dishonest, saying that Crowder is lying because he says he was trying to stop them from tearing down the tent, is absolutely hilarious.
Because that is exactly what his actions appear to be in the "alternate view" video I provided. :doh
Which is when little short **** Union thug told him not to touch the very Union members trying to tear down the tent.
I'm not trying to be dishonest Excon but I admit I can barely stand to read your posts because they're so steeped in hyberboli and insults that I may have missed something you tried to point out. If I did I apologize. But I stand by what I said.
 
I'm not trying to be dishonest Excon but I admit I can barely stand to read your posts because they're so steeped in hyberboli and insults that I may have missed something you tried to point out. If I did I apologize. But I stand by what I said.
:doh
And again. I am just returning that which you give. Which means the hyperbole and insults came from you first.

And you are and have been being dishonest.
The video in the article from the OP proves it.
You ignoring that which has been provided is all part of it.

You do not need to proffer an apology, it is just bs anyways.

You deliberately said Crowder swung when he did not.
That is dishonest.
That is what you need to rectify.
 
GUYS! GUYS! Settle down. Relax. Chill out.

It don't matter to me who threw the first punch as long as the FOXNews dude got punched in the face before it was all over. That would be AWESOME!
 
The snot is all yours and all I am doing is returning it to you.
I wouldn't know what it is like to be wrong in this case, since it is you who have been proven to be wrong.
And the only lack of understanding here is yours, as has been proven.
And I haven't ignored a video like you have. Funny thing is, that it is the one that proves you wrong. Go figure. Huh?

There was no swing or blow by Crowder. You are purposely being dishonest.

You can cease your deceitfulness at any time and admit that Crowder did not swing.


And again. The NYT bs has already been addressed.
And one of the reasons I directed you and others to the video in the article of the OP. Because the portion in question isn't edited out.
The guy on the ground doesn't mean he didn't slip and fall on his own.
It doesn't mean that he didn't fall after swinging first.
The guy getting up off the ground does not mean that he did not act violently first.
It does not mean that he did not act violently toward Crowder first.
Do you not understand that?

You, the person being dishonest, saying that Crowder is lying because he says he was trying to stop them from tearing down the tent, is absolutely hilarious.
Because that is exactly what his actions appear to be in the "alternate view" video I provided. :doh
Which is when little short **** Union thug told him not to touch the very Union members trying to tear down the tent.

Or Crowder grabbed/shoved him.

Layin hands on somebody is assault. Doesn't have to be a blow.

MMA guy in a confrontational situation...
 
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