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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't agree. If he'd shot the guy "in self defense" think they wouldn't have prosecuted?
    Obviously, the state police felt the actions of the union guy were justifiable according to their investigation. Your disagreement does not alter the findings of the official investigation by the State Police.
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obviously, the state police felt the actions of the union guy were justifiable according to their investigation.
    With that? I completely agree.
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What the video clearly showed was that the guy got up off the ground and re-initiated a fight. No one was kicking him...no one was standing over him ready to hit him when he got up...he very clearly got up, went over to the guy and started punching. It's called mutual combat at best (not self-defense) -- if, in fact, the reporter pushed him to the ground in the first place.

    You posted that you had watched an "unedited" video - where did you find it? The one labeled "unedited" that is posted on Crowder's YouTube page is not what I would call "unedited". What happened between the time when the union guy is shown talking (yelling) at Crowder and when he is shown on the ground?

    I've previously posted that we don't know what happened to the union guy simply because there is no video available for those few seconds but as others have noted, under various "Stand Your Ground" laws, the union guy would have been justified if he had pulled out a concealed weapon after he ended up on the ground.


    If anybody has seen an actual unedited video of the confrontation, it would definitely help to calm the debate if the rest of us could take a look
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You posted that you had watched an "unedited" video - where did you find it? The one labeled "unedited" that is posted on Crowder's YouTube page is not what I would call "unedited". What happened between the time when the union guy is shown talking (yelling) at Crowder and when he is shown on the ground?

    I've previously posted that we don't know what happened to the union guy simply because there is no video available for those few seconds but as others have noted, under various "Stand Your Ground" laws, the union guy would have been justified if he had pulled out a concealed weapon after he ended up on the ground.

    If anybody has seen an actual unedited video of the confrontation, it would definitely help to calm the debate if the rest of us could take a look
    That's exactly my point. The "unedited version" does not show what one needs to know in order to say the man on the ground acted in self-defense. That's all there is to look at as far as I know. And from that, it's impossible to call it "self-defense" in any way, shape or form.
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for sharing the findings of your investigation. The legal ruling according to the state police investigation was that the union guy acted in self defense.
    A legal ruling huh?
    You are just being silly.
    There was no such legal ruling.

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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's exactly my point. The "unedited version" does not show what one needs to know in order to say the man on the ground acted in self-defense. That's all there is to look at as far as I know. And from that, it's impossible to call it "self-defense" in any way, shape or form.
    Which is why the decision comes off as fishy when couple that with the fact that they did not charge Crowder with filing a false report or with pressing false charges.

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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    A legal ruling huh?
    You are just being silly.
    There was no such legal ruling.
    The State Police did an investigation after Crowder pressed charges, submitted them to the prosecuting attorney, and his decision was that it was self defense and did not move the case to court.

    What was illegal about the finding?
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The State Police did an investigation after Crowder pressed charges, submitted them to the prosecuting attorney, and his decision was that it was self defense and did not move the case to court.

    What was illegal about the finding?
    I think Excon's point is that a DA's opinion isn't a legal finding. If you'd like another example, look to the Zimmerman case.
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think Excon's point is that a DA's opinion isn't a legal finding. If you'd like another example, look to the Zimmerman case.
    Please explain what makes the findings of a state police investigation not legal?
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    Re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please explain what makes the findings of a state police investigation not legal?
    You used the term "legal ruling." There was no legal ruling. It is the opinion of the DA that, in light of their investigation, the guy acted in self-defense, thus no charges will be filed. That's not a legal ruling. That's the result of an investigation. In the Zimmerman case, the results of the initial investigation indicated self-defense. Due to pressure, the case was re-opened for investigation and charges were filed. The initial investigation's findings were not a legal ruling.
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