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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Bs! Their positions make it impossible.
    And Tony was having a verbal exchange with another. The two were not engaged in any way at the time he fell.
    You can clearly see crowders arm shoving into Tonys chest, then less than a second later Tony goes down. There's no one between Tony and the tent. So did the tent shove him down?
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You can clearly see crowders arm shoving into Tonys chest, then less than a second later Tony goes down. There's no one between Tony and the tent. So did the tent shove him down?
    Bs! You do not see his arm "shoving" into Tony's chest.
    What a ridiculousness and absurd assertion. Which must be why Catawba likes it.

    The point in question is @ the 1:37, 1:38 mark in the following video. All he is doing is moving his forearm up.


    And that very same thing is at the 1:32 mark in the video from the OP. (You know the one that is unedited at the portion in question.)
    He moves away from Tony at that point. Which is also where we can see Tony in a verbal exchange with the other guy.
    AS I said. Their positions make it impossible for Crowder to have pushed Tony to the ground.
    Did you get that yet? Impossible!


    Stop with this absurdity.
    Tony is at fault for swinging on Crowder.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]



    Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

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    Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
    Holy ****!

    You can't be serious. You must think you are playing a stupid game or something.


    Regarldless. Since you have posted your statement as if you were serious, so you must be.

    Thereby showing everybody the fact that Moot is dishonest in debate.
    Hell. She can ever read it on the picture. "Hannity" in the corner and "FNC CONTRIBUTOR STEVAN CROWDER ASSAULTED AT PRO-UNION RALLY IN MI".


    In my very first two replies to you, I told where it could be found.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Steve Crowder provoked the fight.....

    "I went out here to prove the left for who they truly are. Certainly, these union thugs. And I’ve achieved that."

    ....thats why he had to heavily edit the video.
    His statement does not mean he provoked a fight.

    Secondly, you have no idea if the video is heavily edited or not. You want to say edited, sure, go ahead.
    It is after all intended to show who these thugs truly are, which it does achieve. Of course editing is essential to time constraints and to highlight the important parts.
    And you might want to
    watch the video that was in the OP's article as it shows what can be seen of what happened w/o editing.
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    The video shows the union man was on the ground before he jumped up to punch Crowder. Something occured before the altercation that was edited out by Crowder.


    Again. Watch the video that was in the OP's article as it shows what can be seen of what happened w/o editing.

    And umpteen times after.

    And you even replied that you had watched the video. (Even though it was obvious that you had not.)

    And now you ask where said information can be found, when you were already told, and said that you had watched it?
    That is clearly you being dishonest in debate.


    And how many times after that did I tell you again?
    More than 20? Or was it just 18?

    Regardless, it has been pointed out to you more than several times, over and over again, that the video in the OP's link was the unedited version.

    As the link to the article which contains the video has been again provided for you above, Go and watch it.
    He falls and is getting off the ground around the 1:35 mark.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Meh, you're right that part is in the OP video. But it still isn't clear if Crowder pushed the guy or was just moving out the way.



    So, Crowder alledgedly pressed charges today. I wonder how it will hold up in court since....

    1. Crowder has admitted he went to the protest to provoke.

    2. The large AFP tents appear to be set up in the middle of the protest to provoke and were largely empty.

    3. The video shows people with vests calmly taking down the tent before the altercation.

    4. The video shows Crowder accusing a man of tearing down the tent who isn't even near the tent.

    5. Crowder has admitted to pushing people.

    6. The video shows someone did push the man down to the ground before he punched Crowder.

    7. Crowder admitted he wasn't that hurt after getting punched. He didn't go to a doctor to verify any injuries.

    8. Crowder challenged the pro-union protestor to a fight on national TV.

    9. Conservative activists have a history of filing false charges for publicity.


    Thats just Crowders own evidence against himself. Somehow I don't think Crowders charges are going to stick. I think it will be thrown out and another publicity stunt bites the dust. If the man does come forward, it will be his word against Crowder who threw the first punch but again, the video shows someone pushed the man first.

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    Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post


    Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground?
    Hey I wasn't on the ground!

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Meh, you're right that part is in the OP video.

    Sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But it still isn't clear if Crowder pushed the guy or was just moving out the way.
    Bs! It is more than clear that he didn't push Tony, as their positions made it impossible.



    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So, Crowder alledgedly pressed charges today. I wonder how it will hold up in court since....
    Just fine as he has video, and eye witness evidence.


    1. Crowder has admitted he went to the protest to provoke.
    Not in the sense you are using, he did not.

    2. The large AFP tents appear to be set up in the middle of the protest to provoke and were largely empty.
    Those tents were set up legally. They were also used by Union supporters. (See interview with Hot Dog vendor. )
    Nor would it matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.


    3. The video shows people with vests calmly taking down the tent before the altercation.
    No. It shows Union workers taking it down.

    4. The video shows Crowder accusing a man of tearing down the tent who isn't even near the tent.
    At this time there is not enough to know if the guy had been involved or not.
    Nor would it matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.


    5. Crowder has admitted to pushing people.
    Yes, In defense of the Tent. Allowable.
    And since he did not push Tony, it would not matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.


    6. The video shows someone did push the man down to the ground before he punched Crowder.
    No it does not. That is your assumption.
    It shows Tony falling to the ground. He could have tripped over something, been tripped, pushed or
    simply lost his footing.


    7. Crowder admitted he wasn't that hurt after getting punched. He didn't go to a doctor to verify any injuries.
    Doesn't matter as to the crime. The crime is the crime. Not how much one is or isn't hurt.

    8. Crowder challenged the pro-union protestor to a fight on national TV.
    And? Good for him. It was after the fact. And it was an either turn yourself in or lets fight challenge.
    And he can do what he wants. It wasn't illegal.
    And has no bearing on Tony's illegal behavior.


    9. Conservative activists have a history of filing false charges for publicity.
    OMG! Will the partisan bs never stop?
    If true, not in any percentage worth noting.
    If true, the same goes for liberals, and it would also not be worth noting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats just Crowders own evidence against himself. Somehow I don't think Crowders charges are going to stick. I think it will be thrown out and another publicity stunt bites the dust. If the man does come forward, it will be his word against Crowder who threw the first punch but again, the video shows someone pushed the man first.
    The video will corroborate Crowder's account. Just as it will corroborate Crowders eyewitness's accounts as well.
    But it wont corroborate Tony's unless he admits to acting unlawfully.
    Tony doesn't have a chance except for a lenient Judge.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    This subject is now taking on the air of the Treyvon Martin case, in the sense that so much is now being just made up out of whole cloth and repeated, IMO, to attempt to turn it into quasi fact because it has been repeated. It is fruitless to further have, or attempt to talk with individuals on opposite sides of this incident, because the same meme will just be regurgitated all over again.

    The bottom line for me is:

    1. The law is clear, and the MSP said that they would investigate, and prosecute as necessary if charges were filed.

    2. Events leading up to, or during the assault at this point are up to a court, if charges, and a case is filed.

    3. Doubtful that arguing with people that get a childish chuckle out of changing someone's name immaturely to provoke themselves is going to produce any consensus at all on the matter.

    Have a nice day all. I'm out.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post


    Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
    Why DID Crowder square off with someone who fell down in a manner completely unrelated to him?
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Not in reference to Tony swinging on him.
    Tony was preventing him from interfering with the person trying to take down the tent.
    Crowder had moved away from and was facing the opposite direction of Tony who was having interactions with another person when Tony fell by his side.
    Tony then reacted as if Crowder had pushed him down when he had not, and started swinging.
    That is all on Tony and not Crowder. Period.
    Your overlooking my points


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