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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Well, like I said before I don't think there's conclusive evidence (currently available) to incriminate Crowder, but I do find this odd. You said he tripped on the tent line he was "trying to cut." Look at the video on Fox's page I linked to below. It's an interview with Crowder on Hannity's show and they play a bit more of the clip (at the beginning and about 3 and then 5 minutes in). I don't see any tent line. I also viewed a 7 minute version of the footage uncut and we saw plenty of the ground right where the guy fell -- no tent line. Also that video shows he was not trying to cut the tent line. Doesn't mean he was right and Crowder was wrong, but so far what I see in this story is shameless exploitation and creating a narrative that suits Fox's audience. Also, you're wrong and the video shows you're wrong. The puncher was clearly visible before the incident, wasn't cutting down the tent, and Crowder did have his hands on the guy. And again, no tent line. Did you just make up that explanation or do you have a source?

    here's that link

    Ok that's fair, I don't absolutely know what the guy could have tripped on, another foot, a rock on the ground, hell maybe over his own feet....Who knows? You have people in here making up wild accusations based on what was edited out, then promoting it like it was a fact. I don't see you highlighting their postings and refuting that.

    Mostly people in here saying that Crowder "got what he deserved" are those that cheer on violence against those that don't agree with their ideology, people like Harry Belafonte who said on MSNBC the other day that Obama should just jail people that don't support him. This is absurd.

    The law is clear, if you are in an verbal altercation, the onus is on YOU not to escalate the situation, or physically take action. People have a right, protected by the constitution of the United States to travel freely, speak freely, and be secure in their persons. IOW, if you don't like what someone is saying to you, it is on YOU to walk away, or ignore, or even change the channel. I don't get why liberals constantly have to feel like they need to silence those dissenting voices through a heavy handed government action, or by violence.

    So what we have here is pure childishness, just read through the thread. Changing Crowder's name, trolling, making stuff up, using completely biased blogs from others as if it is factually based journalism, acceptance of using violence against those that don't agree with your own point of view....It is a devolving of our society brought about by a generation that has NO CLUE as to what they are pushing.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Excon,

    The video is edited and Crowder has not been honest about what he was doing. It is not the first time a Breitbart lacky has been dishonest, niether is it the first time a Republican Comedy Channel (Fox News) contributer been caught in a massive lie!
    Yeah? Ok? NOT!
    He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
    He didn't provoke.
    None of that, let me repeat NONE OF THAT justifies you, and others making stuff up to bolster your own narrative, nor does it justify assault.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    None of that, let me repeat NONE OF THAT justifies you, and others making stuff up to bolster your own narrative, nor does it justify assault.
    I am not making stuff up going by what was posted in the article about editing of the video. If you haved a problem with that go yell at Faux News. Plus just by the video alone he was getting in atleast one persons face that had nothing to do with tearing down of the tent.

    The guy went there looking for a problem and he found one. I hope the full story gets out we have yet to hear the other side. I willing to bet the police are looking into this and I will stand by their decision to arrest whom ever they see at fault. Which will probably be both of them. Oh and if Crowder touched the man in anyway shape or for he is justified in hitting him.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I am not making stuff up...

    Oh you absolutely are....You don't remember when you said....

    Okay I looked a both video's and in the second one it looks like Crowder put his hands on the man that hit him.
    Then you go on for pages repeating that Crowder put his hands on the man, even after it was point out to you that Crowder's back was to him when he fell...You are being dishonest.

    The guy went there looking for a problem and he found one. I hope the full story gets out we have yet to hear the other side. I willing to bet the police are looking into this and I will stand by their decision to arrest whom ever they see at fault. Which will probably be both of them. Oh and if Crowder touched the man in anyway shape or for he is justified in hitting him.
    Well, Crowder is pretty easy to find, he's been on national tv talking about it, so yeah, I don't think anyone is looking for him....On the other hand, it is about more than some union thug and his assault on Steven Crowder....The people in the tent were harmed as well, including a hot dog vendor that had his equipment destroyed by the union....

    Conservatives demand justice for Michigan attack - Washington Times


    This guy had nothing to do with advocating either side of it, yet because he was asked, and was paid to provide services to AFP at the rally, he was attacked by the union idiots as well....You must be so proud.
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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Excon,

    The video is edited and Crowder has not been honest about what he was doing. It is not the first time a Breitbart lacky has been dishonest, niether is it the first time a Republican Comedy Channel (Fox News) contributer been caught in a massive lie!
    Yeah? Ok? NOT!
    And again. The video is not edited at the portion in question.
    Do you not understand that?
    AT THE PORTION IN QUESTION IT IS NOT EDITED.
    Do you not understand what the portion in question is?

    And yes Crowder has been honest about his intentions.
    He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
    He didn't provoke.

    We can clearly see that Crowder did not swing on the guy.
    We can clearly see that the Union Members were trying to intimidate Crowder.
    Try to keep up.


    In addition, since Moot didn't provide any substance to her claim, maybe you will provided some for your claim.
    Prove he is a Breitbart lacky.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In many cases their pay will be lowered to reflect the value of their work. if others are worth more they will be paid more.

    Union workers are not defining their worth because few people are identical in their value. Instead they are extorting what they as a group feel they can get away with and thus skew the marketplace. They also have a closed shop where anyone who wants to work must pay the Union bosses, and of course Unions are a very big, and corrupt, business..

    I have workers and I pay them what I feel they are worth to me and they are happy with that. It is not to my advantage to pay them less than they are worth because they'll take their value somewhere else, and good people are very hard to find. Even in bad times they're paid because I've invested in them as human beings as well. I believe most employers share the same atthitude, at least in smaller businesses like mine.
    That's a very subjective opinion. And you may over estimate the happiness of your employees. But, I'm sure a lot of workers re saying, "Yes, please pay me less because I'm not worth much."

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again. The video is not edited at the portion in question.
    Do you not understand that?
    AT THE PORTION IN QUESTION IT IS NOT EDITED.
    Do you not understand what the portion in question is?

    And yes Crowder has been honest about his intentions.
    He went there to document the known behavior of this particular subspecies.
    He didn't provoke.

    We can clearly see that Crowder did not swing on the guy.
    We can clearly see that the Union Members were trying to intimidate Crowder.
    Try to keep up.


    In addition, since Moot didn't provide any substance to her claim, maybe you will provided some for your claim.
    Prove he is a Breitbart lacky.
    The video that Moot has posted show clearly Crowder stand over him when he is getting up that is what I am going by. That is what she spent and hour trying to explain to you. The video has come under scutiny by both Fox News and sevral other outlets. My concern her is that no charges have been filed in regards to the assult. While he may or may not work for Brietbart, he defanitly used their tactics. That I will correct myself on. This is more wait and see as far as any charges that are going to be pressed. One thing is for sure he was in more than a few people faces. Fair enough? The vidoe is clips of specific instances not the whole video. There are more than a few camera angle on this as well.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a very subjective opinion. And you may over estimate the happiness of your employees. But, I'm sure a lot of workers re saying, "Yes, please pay me less because I'm not worth much."
    You have no idea what you're talking about, which has become a consistency on this thread.

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    re: Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    The video that Moot has posted show clearly Crowder stand over him when he is getting up that is what I am going by. That is what she spent and hour trying to explain to you. The video has come under scutiny by both Fox News and sevral other outlets. My concern her is that no charges have been filed in regards to the assult. While he may or may not work for Brietbart, he defanitly used their tactics. That I will correct myself on. This is more wait and see as far as any charges that are going to be pressed. One thing is for sure he was in more than a few people faces. Fair enough? The vidoe is clips of specific instances not the whole video. There are more than a few camera angle on this as well.
    Another one who isn't paying attention to what has been given.
    First of all Moot was wrong in her position. She was directed to the same video you were. She admitted to not watching it until much later, making her arguments irrelevant.
    And it can be seen that I clearly understood which video she was talking about, which is why I kept directing her and even you to the one that wasn't edited at the time period in question. Do you not understand that?



    We are talking about the video in the OP.
    The video that Moot provided is the same that I previously provided for different reasons. It is not what we are talking about.

    And it was clear that it was not what we have been speaking about as I mentioned exactly what we are speaking about how many times now? 8, 9, 10 times or so? Once specifically to you.


    Do you not understand why I keep correcting folks and directing them to the video that isn't edited at the portioning question?

    So why are you ignoring that to which you have been directed? Because it proves you wrong? Why?

    Follow the link and watch the video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Okay I looked a both video's and in the second one it looks like Crowder put his hands on the man that hit him. Either we are not being told everything Crowder did and he edited the video. Or something is really fishy here .
    The video of what happened is not edited in regards to the portion in question.
    Do you understand that? It is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

    It can be found at the following site.
    Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
    Do you understand that?

    It is also the one that was presented in the "OP" (Opening Post).
    It is the one you and everybody else should be familiar with as it is the the one from the OP.
    Do you understand that?

    If you do, then please watch it. As it is the one that is not edited in regards to the portion in question.

    No it doesn't look like Crowder put his hands on the guy prior to him assaulting Crowder.
    Crowder's back is to the guy as he falls down by his side. Crowder sees this and immediately puts his hands in the air showing he had nothing to do with it.

    So please tell us rational folk just how in the hell Crowder pushed him to the ground when his back was to him?
    If there was any pushing of the guy to the ground, instead of him falling on his own, it would have to have been by someone else, not Crowder.
    Which I already pointed out long ago.
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