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House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

Why should a majority in the state legislature be able to force a policy on the minority, if workers can't do the same?

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Samhain said:
The Wisconson Senate flipped back to Republicans, and in the House the Republicans won a large majority.
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It didn't "flip back to Republicans". Republicans had the majority and they gained two more seats. Wonder why that was?


New maps were passed by the Republican-controlled legislature on July 19, 2011 and quietly signed by Gov. Scott Walker (R) on August 9

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The GOP is in it's death throws. They refuse to expand their party's base so they instead try to destroy the other's base. That, redistricting and making it hard for the base of it's opposition to vote and their new tactic, **** over the electoral college. These are desperate measures of a desperate party. I don't think the party will outright die, but it will be reborn becuase the path it's on is a dead-end one.
 
poweRob said:
It didn't "flip back to Republicans". Republicans had the majority and they gained two more seats. Wonder why that was?


New maps were passed by the Republican-controlled legislature on July 19, 2011 and quietly signed by Gov. Scott Walker (R) on August 9

linkypoo...​


The GOP is in it's death throws. They refuse to expand their party's base so they instead try to destroy the other's base. That, redistricting and making it hard for the base of it's opposition to vote and their new tactic, **** over the electoral college. These are desperate measures of a desperate party. I don't think the party will outright die, but it will be reborn becuase the path it's on is a dead-end one.
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In 2012, the state Senate was 17-16 in favor of the Democrats. Republicans did gain 2 seats in the election though.

Redistricting is a fact of our political process, of which both parties use to their advantage.
 
poweRob said:
Gov Snyder was against removing union rights in that state. The Republicans lost seats in the legislature and are a lame duck crew until January. Snyder just made it clear that he is a pawn. Someone yanked that bitches choke chain and he reversed himself and this was rammed through so fast no one was allowed to debate it. There's some hidden figures taking action in Michigan and this lame duck legislature and pawn of a governor are their tools. This organized and was rammed through far too quick to be otherwise.
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unions should not have any rights. workers should. but if a company doesn't want to have a union in its shop it should have the right to get rid of union members. Public sector unions should be banned as well
 
The biggest threat to public sector unions is Obama as more and more see their unions dues go for big government, stateist, socialist and commie ideology. Union membership has declined under Obama by half a million plus. Now, even in Michigan and the other right to work states, union membership is not required...which means far and far less dues going to the unions to support their big government...Hopefully in time more will peter out which will mean the decline of the democratic socialist, stateist party. Booyah!!!!!
 
Diogenes said:
And everything liberal seems to go back to George Soros. What's your point, and how is it relevant to the thread?
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Thing is, I'm right and you are just making **** up.

And it has to do with the thread because it was a part of the conversation I was having with someone in this thread about the topic. Not to mention the link right there in your quote of me that I wrote... is to a story about the thread's topic. Do try to keep up.
 
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Rapunzel52 said:
The biggest threat to public sector unions is Obama as more and more see their unions dues go for big government, stateist, socialist and commie ideology. Union membership has declined under Obama by half a million plus. Now, even in Michigan and the other right to work states, union membership is not required...which means far and far less dues going to the unions to support their big government...Hopefully in time more will peter out which will mean the decline of the democratic socialist, stateist party. Booyah!!!!!
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"Socialist and commie ideology." Political ignorance yet again driving another thread into oblivion.
 
Dickieboy said:
Jealousy will get you nowhere…
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Not jealous at all. I actually pity true Republicans. Their party is clearly being hijacked from them.
 
poweRob said:
Not jealous at all. I actually pity true Republicans. Their party is clearly being hijacked from them.
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If you say so…but considering local polling RTW seems pretty popular:
The survey, commissioned by Inside Michigan Politics, showed that 58 percent of likely voters support right-to-work. Opposition among Michigan voters participating in the survey was at 37 percent.
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Dickieboy said:
Most Michigan Voters Think Right-to-Work Is a Winner [Michigan Capitol Confidential]
The poll found a 54% majority said they generally favor right-to-work laws, with 40% opposed.
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Poll finds Michigan voters divided on right-to-work laws; what do you think? | Michigan news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
As legislators this week sparred over right-to-work legislation in a post-election "lame-duck" session, a new Mitchell Poll shows that a majority (51 percent) of Michigan voters support a Right-to-Work Law. Only 41 percent of the voters oppose it, while 8 percent are undecided.
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Mitchell poll: Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 | [url]www.michiganview.com | The Michigan View[/url]

Of course maybe you are of the opinion that legislation shouldn't have the support of the electorate...:roll:
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Dickieboy said:
If you say so…but considering local polling RTW seems pretty popular:


Dickieboy said:
Most Michigan Voters Think Right-to-Work Is a Winner [Michigan Capitol Confidential]



Poll finds Michigan voters divided on right-to-work laws; what do you think? | Michigan news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com



Mitchell poll: Michigan voters favor right-to-work, 51-41 | [url]www.michiganview.com | The Michigan View[/url]

Of course maybe you are of the opinion that legislation shouldn't have the support of the electorate...:roll:
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If it has so much support, then why did the legislature then feel the need to lock the public out and speed the bill through with no debate? I mean, RTW in Michigan is soooo popular clearly they had no need to do this right?
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poweRob said:
If it has so much support, then why did the legislature then feel the need to lock the public out and speed the bill through with no debate? I mean, RTW in Michigan is soooo popular clearly they had no need to do this right?
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Obviously they feared the minority that was opposed to it would turn violent…considering the various reports from the area (and other like actions) they appear to have acted prudently.
 
Right to work is a smart move to curb potential job losses to the South.
 
I understand what unions are supposed to do for their workers. All of the unions I have worked for have been awful. The union leaders were "in bed" with the company and got a lot of extra perks (free cars, extra paid-for vacations, etc.) to keep union members mouths shut. The union leaders acted like they had the union members best interests, but that wasn't the case. If the union agreed to strike, eventually the union leaders would bend when they got some extra perks thrown at them and sacrificed union members pay and/or benefits in the process.

On the surface, this legislation may look like it's the end of the world, but in the long run, union members are going to be glad when they wake up and realize how bad they have been getting screwed by their elected leaders.
 
Dickieboy said:
Obviously they feared the minority that was opposed to it would turn violent…considering the various reports from the area (and other like actions) they appear to have acted prudently.
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So if they opened the bill for debate violence would have happened? Get real. People are acting out BECAUSE the bill was closed to debate and the doors were locked.

You are for the politics of this so you'll come up with any reason to excuse the ****ty method that was used to pass it. I'll remember that should liberals lock the doors and pass something you disagree with without any debate. To maintain your integrity I should expect your silence on the manner of which it is passed but I more realistically expect you venting your outrage.
 
poweRob said:
So if they opened the bill for debate violence would have happened? Get real. People are acting out BECAUSE the bill was closed to debate and the doors were locked.

You are for the politics of this so you'll come up with any reason to excuse the ****ty method that was used to pass it. I'll remember that should liberals lock the doors and pass something you disagree with without any debate. To maintain your integrity I should expect your silence on the manner of which it is passed but I more realistically expect you venting your outrage.
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Ok...maybe you should write it down so as to not forget...;)

ps...I NEVER vent outrage...
 
Dickieboy said:
Ok...maybe you should write it down so as to not forget...;)

ps...I NEVER vent outrage...
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Ok... then to clarify...

Do you or do you not agree with passing bills in such a manner where you close debate, lock the doors and push it through as fast as possible?
 
poweRob said:
Ok... then to clarify...

Do you or do you not agree with passing bills in such a manner where you close debate, lock the doors and push it through as fast as possible?
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I agree with it...considering the most recent state history, prop 2, and all. Sometimes it's best to kick the kids out of the room so the adults can get the work done. Instead of dragging this out to reach the same end it just got expidited...kinda like ripping the bandaid off. While not exact the PPACA was passed in a similar way. Now you know how it feels...but I doubt this will have the same detrimental effect.
 
Dickieboy said:
I agree with it...considering the most recent state history, prop 2, and all. Sometimes it's best to kick the kids out of the room so the adults can get the work done.

Instead of dragging this out to reach the same end it just got expidited...kinda like ripping the bandaid off. While not exact the PPACA was passed in a similar way. Now you know how it feels...but I doubt this will have the same detrimental effect.
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So that's your vision of how you like representative democracy to work? Interesting.
 
poweRob said:
Gov Snyder was against removing union rights in that state. The Republicans lost seats in the legislature and are a lame duck crew until January. Snyder just made it clear that he is a pawn. Someone yanked that bitches choke chain and he reversed himself and this was rammed through so fast no one was allowed to debate it. There's some hidden figures taking action in Michigan and this lame duck legislature and pawn of a governor are their tools. This organized and was rammed through far too quick to be otherwise.
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Green Balls said:
I understand what unions are supposed to do for their workers. All of the unions I have worked for have been awful. The union leaders were "in bed" with the company and got a lot of extra perks (free cars, extra paid-for vacations, etc.) to keep union members mouths shut. The union leaders acted like they had the union members best interests, but that wasn't the case. If the union agreed to strike, eventually the union leaders would bend when they got some extra perks thrown at them and sacrificed union members pay and/or benefits in the process.
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Sounds like you folks should have elected better leaders. I can't speak for your experience, but the Union I'm a member of requires all officers to be re-elected every two years to ensure they are still looking out for the best interest of the members. Last election we replaced about 80% of the officers because we didn't believe they were doing their job correctly.
 
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