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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You have it somewhat backwards. You make your demands before you go to work for the company, that is your right to honor the terms of employment offered or go look elsewhere.
    How about when the company changes those terms of employment in the middle of your time there, with no means of appeal? What happens when the company suddenly decides that to make the profit margin they promised their investors they suddenly decide that 1400 employees need to be "let go", whether their jobs/skills are needed or not?

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    To come in, "organize" (take over) and then make demands, puts that company or entire industry (and all of its workers) in a tight spot - does it not?
    Apparently you don't understand how the system works. The company is involved in the unionization process from the beginning. In our case, we simple decided to join the existing union which represents the operations personnel at this electric utility company. Again, the company was involved from the beginning of the process.

    A lot of companies would find themselves in much less contentious relationships with their employees (union and non-union) by simply using a little bit of common sense and paying more attention to the morale and ideas of them.

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    True that union power will likely be diminished, but that just might mean the difference between a job and no job for a current non-member (or potential memeber). "Just us" is not the same as "justice", they just sound alike.
    The problem is that in this economy, they're liable to find somene they can take advantage of, pay less than the job is really worth, not provide sufficient benefits to, etc... because these people are looking for any job that will take them. Down the road if/when the economy improves, these jobs are not going to improve with them because there is no requirement for them to do so. They'll remain lower paying, with less benefits, and often less safe working conditions, because the company doesn't have to do anything more.

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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I will say this about this move... Republicans will pay a price in Michigan for this.
    The highest possible price I could see them having to pay is getting reelected and, thus, having to live in that state for another two years.

    Seriously though, Michigan is an absolute mess. At this point they have no choice but to do anything they can to attract businesses to their state and this move COULD help to facilitate that. It certainly can't hurt.
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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    what i wonder is this :

    if "right to work" is so awesome for workers, why exempt the police and firefighters?

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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    ... The state has had an exodus of taxpayers TO every state except OHIO....
    It was actually Michigan's business tax that drove a lot small businesses out of the state.
    It was based on the gross income of business a small business did instead of profits.

    Under MBT, the general tax base has modified gross receipts taxed at 0.8 percent and the business income is taxes at 4.95 percent. Insurance companies are taxed at 1.25 percent on direct premiums and other financial institutions have a franchise tax at 0.235 percent on net capital.
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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Really? How well did the GOP do in Wisconsin this election? You know, the state where the GOP Veep candidate is from?
    The Wisconson Senate flipped back to Republicans, and in the House the Republicans won a large majority.

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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Why should a majority in the state legislature be able to force a policy on the minority, if workers can't do the same?

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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The Wisconson Senate flipped back to Republicans, and in the House the Republicans won a large majority.
    It didn't "flip back to Republicans". Republicans had the majority and they gained two more seats. Wonder why that was?


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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It didn't "flip back to Republicans". Republicans had the majority and they gained two more seats. Wonder why that was?


    New maps were passed by the Republican-controlled legislature on July 19, 2011 and quietly signed by Gov. Scott Walker (R) on August 9

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    The GOP is in it's death throws. They refuse to expand their party's base so they instead try to destroy the other's base. That, redistricting and making it hard for the base of it's opposition to vote and their new tactic, **** over the electoral college. These are desperate measures of a desperate party. I don't think the party will outright die, but it will be reborn becuase the path it's on is a dead-end one.
    In 2012, the state Senate was 17-16 in favor of the Democrats. Republicans did gain 2 seats in the election though.

    Redistricting is a fact of our political process, of which both parties use to their advantage.

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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all


    Right to work should be mandatory everywhere.People shouldn't be forced to be a member of a union or pay union dues just to get a certain job. Heck if they want to join a different union instead of the current one they should be allowed to do so.
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    Re: House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Gov Snyder was against removing union rights in that state. The Republicans lost seats in the legislature and are a lame duck crew until January. Snyder just made it clear that he is a pawn. Someone yanked that bitches choke chain and he reversed himself and this was rammed through so fast no one was allowed to debate it. There's some hidden figures taking action in Michigan and this lame duck legislature and pawn of a governor are their tools. This organized and was rammed through far too quick to be otherwise.
    unions should not have any rights. workers should. but if a company doesn't want to have a union in its shop it should have the right to get rid of union members. Public sector unions should be banned as well

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