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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    No I dont the biggest drivers of the debt were the Bush tav cuts. We had a surplus before boy wonder got into office and just like Republicans do when in power they charge up the credit card. See Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2. Obama had to clean up the mess left by the Republican congress and President.


    Your reply shows you are not serious about this countries debt problem.
    Please show me the U.S. Treasury Data that says we had a surplus under Clinton? Interesting that with that so called surplus the debt went up every year under Clinton from 4.4 trillion to 5.8 trillion. The Treasury shows no such surplus and the Treasury is the bank account of the United States.

    further do you honestly believe that you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the Federal Govt. thus causes debt? In addition please explain how under the Bush tax cuts we had record Tax revenue in 2007?

    Your reply shows how little you know about your govt's budget and the revenue it collects.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Reagan out spent every President before him and so did Bush 2 so what is your point. Obama inherited a mess created by a Republican congress and a President as well. Most of that debt can fall back on Bush 2. Sorry facts do not lie. There was no concern when Bush 2 was running up the debt at all same with Reagan.


    Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


    There ya go doubt you will read it but your delusions are funny eitherway

    Ah, the Soros funded CBPP...

    While the CBPP claims to be non-partisan, journalists usually characterize it as "liberal" or left of center.[4][5][6][7][8][9

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    Soros funded CBPP to the tune of 3.7million...


    got anything objective to back you up, or are you just a caricature of liberal colloquiums?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please show me the U.S. Treasury Data that says we had a surplus under Clinton? Interesting that with that so called surplus the debt went up every year under Clinton from 4.4 trillion to 5.8 trillion. The Treasury shows no such surplus and the Treasury is the bank account of the United States.

    further do you honestly believe that you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the Federal Govt. thus causes debt? In addition please explain how under the Bush tax cuts we had record Tax revenue in 2007?

    Your reply shows how little you know about your govt's budget and the revenue it collects.
    The US treasury sure seems to think there was surplus:

    President Clinton and Vice President Gore, working with the Congress, set the
    nation on a new course of fiscal responsibility. This program has reversed the
    pattern of deficit spending. In fiscal year 1999, a surplus of $99 billion, or
    1.1 percent of GDP is expected. This would be the largest surplus relative to
    GDP since 1951. We have ended 28 consecutive years of deficit spending and
    recorded the first back-to-back surpluses since 1956-57.
    http://www.treasury.gov/press-center...ments/debt.pdf
    Why do you continue with same lies Conservative?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The US treasury sure seems to think there was surplus:

    President Clinton and Vice President Gore, working with the Congress, set the
    nation on a new course of fiscal responsibility. This program has reversed the
    pattern of deficit spending. In fiscal year 1999, a surplus of $99 billion, or
    1.1 percent of GDP is expected. This would be the largest surplus relative to
    GDP since 1951. We have ended 28 consecutive years of deficit spending and
    recorded the first back-to-back surpluses since 1956-57.

    Why do you continue with same lies Conservative?
    Please show me the surplus on the Treasury website. Thanks

    Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    You and others cannot seem to comprehend the fact that the debt is made up of deficits coming from the Public Debt and intergovt. holdings. It is easy to show a surplus in public debt when you take from intergovt. holdings. Long term obligation debt isn't a surplus.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please show me the surplus on the Treasury website. Thanks

    Government - Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

    You and others cannot seem to comprehend the fact that the debt is made up of deficits coming from the Public Debt and intergovt. holdings. It is easy to show a surplus in public debt when you take from intergovt. holdings. Long term obligation debt isn't a surplus.
    Yay a link

    Now do you have anything of substance to counter Th US Treasury data I posted?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yay a link

    Now do you have anything of substance to counter Th US Treasury data I posted?
    Easy, there was a public debt surplus but an intergovt. holding deficit so the net was a deficit.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The US treasury sure seems to think there was surplus:

    President Clinton and Vice President Gore, working with the Congress, set the
    nation on a new course of fiscal responsibility. This program has reversed the
    pattern of deficit spending. In fiscal year 1999, a surplus of $99 billion, or
    1.1 percent of GDP is expected. This would be the largest surplus relative to
    GDP since 1951. We have ended 28 consecutive years of deficit spending and
    recorded the first back-to-back surpluses since 1956-57.

    Why do you continue with same lies Conservative?
    It is a matter of semantics. Clinton with the GOP House had a budgeted surplus but not an actual "We took in more than we spent" surplus. We took in more than we expected, which was still off an actual deficit. The Ryan plan in the House actually has a balanced budget, but that is just on a 40 year projection, not on a cash in-cash out today way. The democrats, well they seem to have no long-term plan apparently.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I totally agree with you here and not just for the rich. All the tax cuts need to expire 40% cut in military and stop all of the corporate welfare and then we can think about adjusting Medicare and Medicade . Oh and end that big pharma give way that Bush did as well
    The only adjusting to medicare that is needed is lowering the the age of quantification for it to about five, then we can ditch Obama care like conservatives want.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I love it when people cherry pick around Congress. The Congress that gave us the surplus before Bush was a GOP congress, and all during Reagan/Bush years it was a democratic congress, but you seem to totally reverse that in your analysis as it suits you.
    What was the congressional makeup the year Bill Clinton raised taxes on those with incomes over $140,000 a year and individuals over $115?You remember that dontca?That was when Newt said that tax increase will take us into a recession for sure.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    What a bologna answer ditto...You said the union didn't negotiate unreasonable demands, now you agree that they are unreasonable, but it's managements fault....Anything to cover for unions eh?

    Oh, and as for the quality comparison, maybe they should cut out the dope smokin on lunch break in the park and focus on the job for that kind of money, ya think?
    and you accuse me of making a bologna answer?
    Firstly, union's negotiation position is not a demand. Go back and see what I really posted.
    And secondly, the problem with poorly designed cars is not the assembly line workers smoking pot on the job. It is that the cars were poorly designed.
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