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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    There really isn't a lot of difference between a Conservative and a Libertarian when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

    The problem with the budgeting process is it is a baseline budget which means that if a department spends the money that is the baseline which means they get more money the next year. There never is any incentive to save. Budgets are yearly and deficits are yearly. Obama has yet to have a deficit under a trillion dollars. Bush had one deficit over a trillion dollars in 8 years.
    Yes, zero based budgeting is the way to go. Another thing: Let's not have a use it or lose it budget either. If a government entity can be run efficiently, and has money left at the end of the year, that doesn't mean that they should get less the following year. It means that other similar programs need to emulate what the efficient ones are doing. Current budget pracgtice encourages waste.

    Plus, the baseline budgeting encourages the government to claim that they've cut something by 5%, when in fact, they intended to increase it 10%, but only increased it 5%. Such creative math wastes a lot of money as well, and fools some people into thinking that cuts are actually being made.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    The union can't decide to pay someone $79 an hour for a job that is probably worth less than half of that. All it can do is negotiate on the behalf of its clients. If management gives away the store, that's their fault.

    Well, that much I will give you, but only so much....See, when the negotiations go on for these things the Management have a choice to make, either give in to strong arm union tactics, or have your plant shut down until you do, and if you don't give in then go out of business....It's thug from start to finish. People are tired of it. Bullies never win in the long run.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The union can't decide to pay someone $79 an hour for a job that is probably worth less than half of that. All it can do is negotiate on the behalf of its clients. If management gives away the store, that's their fault.
    Private unions? You bet, public unions? A different story. Put all wage and benefit issues on the ballot for the voters, not politicians who can be bought.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The union doesn't own the business, nor does it work there. The employees who hired the union work there. It is the job of the union to work for better salaries and working conditions for their employees.

    The union- worker relationship is much like the lawyer - client relationship. The difference is, no one seems to think it is wrong for a group or individual to be represented by a lawyer.
    When I have hired a lawyer he was on MY side. Unions are an evil that sometimes must be tolerated.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    This is what becoming a right to work state gets ya.


    Persons below poverty level, percent, 2007-2011 Us =17.6%.............. Alabama=14.3%

    Per capita income 2007-2011 US=$27,915............Alabama=$23,483


    Persons below poverty level, percent, 2007-2011 US=17.6% .............Alabama= 14.3%

    High school graduate or higher, percent of persons age 25+, 2007-2011 US=85.4% Alabama =81.9%
    The difference, for those with an interest, is that Alabama is on its way up. Those states that coerce their workers to pay union dues, are on their way down.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When I have hired a lawyer he was on MY side. Unions are an evil that sometimes must be tolerated.
    When workers hire a union, it is on their side. Lawyers are also an evil that sometimes must be tolerated.
    Just like unions.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    When workers hire a union, it is on their side. Lawyers are also an evil that sometimes must be tolerated.
    Just like unions.
    I have had NO positive experiences with unions or their members. I do not believe the unions are on the side of the business. Unions are parasites that occasionally kill the host. They always suck the life out of their host.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that much I will give you, but only so much....See, when the negotiations go on for these things the Management have a choice to make, either give in to strong arm union tactics, or have your plant shut down until you do, and if you don't give in then go out of business....It's thug from start to finish. People are tired of it. Bullies never win in the long run.
    Workers aren't going to vote to strike over unreasonable wage demands. They might if the management tries to cut pay, or if they refuse to raise wages long enough in the face of inflation.

    Wages overall, particularly for unskilled and semi skilled work, have not kept up with inflation over my working life at least. It is much harder for blue collar people to make a living now than it used to be 40 or 50 years ago.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I have had NO positive experiences with unions or their members. I do not believe the unions are on the side of the business. Unions are parasites that occasionally kill the host. They always suck the life out of their host.
    No, unions are not on the side of business. They are on the side of labor. Labor pays for them. Labor votes them in. They are there for labor, not for management. Management is the other team.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Workers aren't going to vote to strike over unreasonable wage demands. They might if the management tries to cut pay, or if they refuse to raise wages long enough in the face of inflation.

    Wages overall, particularly for unskilled and semi skilled work, have not kept up with inflation over my working life at least. It is much harder for blue collar people to make a living now than it used to be 40 or 50 years ago.

    My heart is bleeding....Hey how hard do you think it is to show a consistent gain for the shareholders? I bet they don't do it by boasting a golf palace in Michigan like the union does....

    Your fantasy of unions not asking unreasonable wage demands is really funny.
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