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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    No. It is what occurs. You want to say that corporations seek political advantage through legislative issues. All well and good, but they do not force employees to contribute as a condition to working there. Unions require contributions in non right to work states...as a condition of employment. They have legislated this protection scheme into law in several places. That is the difference.

    The fact you cannot or will not address this makes it easy to see how you want to steer the conversation, and are failing to do so. Its not my argument, it is the facts and the context of "corporate legislative advantage" and how Unions use legislation to their advantage. You just dont want to see it.
    How this for a "corporate legislative advantage"?

    Federal laws prohibiting unions from spending general funds on politics if its members object to such use. Corps are free to spend their general treasuries on politics while the stockholders object to the financing of the political activity they are engaged in.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    In a non right to work state, does every working person in the state have to belong to a union?

    Or does it just mean that, if you choose to work in a place where the workers have opted to have a union represent them, you mush help to pay the cost of said representation?

    If you buy a condo that has an association that maintains a pool and tennis courts, do you get to opt out of the association, or do you still have to pay for the pool and courts?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you have such little faith in your own ability that you would happily retire after a lifetime of union membership and on a union generated pension that may or not be fully funded? I will never understand anyone that spends their entire career as a union employee and never being rewarded for individual initiative or creativity.
    I make a great wage with no college education. I never had to go into great debt to make enough money to support my family.

    I get a great pension plus a SMA fund which closely resembles a 401k, with great health benefits. My pension is fully funded and is one of the strongest in the nation. Besides just the idea of getting a pension these days is quite the dinosaur.

    Initiative and creativity dont belong on a jobsite where you spend 90% of your day above 100 feet off the ground w/the only thing below you a 6 inch wide beem. Its not exactly art class.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I make a great wage with no college education. I never had to go into great debt to make enough money to support my family.

    I get a great pension plus a SMA fund which closely resembles a 401k, with great health benefits. My pension is fully funded and is one of the strongest in the nation. Besides just the idea of getting a pension these days is quite the dinosaur.

    Initiative and creativity dont belong on a jobsite where you spend 90% of your day above 100 feet off the ground w/the only thing below you a 6 inch wide beem. Its not exactly art class.
    Well then congratulations as this is what you will be doing for the rest of your life while you complain about what someone else has and pays in taxes. I always had more initiative and drive than that but then again that is me.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There is nothing democratic about being forced to pay Union dues because of your geographical location.

    But we may not have to put up with the Union stealing for long with more States going to right to work.

    That and the stupidity of the union tendency to kill the golden goose will rid us of the union curse once and for all.
    Dues are there for a reason. And it has nothing to do with your geographic location. Apparently that part has completely went through your skull. No one forces you to join a union, I imagine before you go into a career you learn a little about what it takes to start that career. If you didn't want to join a union I'm assuming you would pick a different career.

    Just like I would never choose to work in a fast food restaurant because I wouldn't want to smell like french fries. I wouldn't go demanding that they stop making french fries just cause I want to work there, how arrogant of me would that be.


    Kill the golden goose.. ? not following you there dude..

    Union curse...? now you just sound like a Inquisitionist going on a witch hunt.
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well then congratulations as this is what you will be doing for the rest of your life while you complain about what someone else has and pays in taxes. I always had more initiative and drive than that but then again that is me.
    You are just so special

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In a non right to work state, does every working person in the state have to belong to a union?

    Or does it just mean that, if you choose to work in a place where the workers have opted to have a union represent them, you mush help to pay the cost of said representation?

    If you buy a condo that has an association that maintains a pool and tennis courts, do you get to opt out of the association, or do you still have to pay for the pool and courts?
    In a "non-right to work state" unionized industries require you to join the union if you want a job.

    "Right to work" means an individual has the choice weather or not to join the union.

    Progressives and unions in general believe workers shouldn't have the right opt out.

    Unions are against "right to work" because they know their leverage over the business would go bye-bye, because their threats of shutting down businesses would become moot if those who chose not to join the union could continue to work during a strike. Not to mention fading membership among other union ideas workers are forced into.

    Considering what unions allege what they stand for is already federal law, there really is no reason to join a union - and every knowledgeable and intelligent worker that is a union member knows this.

    You shouldn't have to join a union if you don't want to just to work and put food on your table, neither should I or anyone else.

    I'd rather work for 20 bucks an hour than get 20.50 an hour and have to pay union dues of 100 bucks a month.

    Screw that.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well then congratulations as this is what you will be doing for the rest of your life while you complain about what someone else has and pays in taxes. I always had more initiative and drive than that but then again that is me.
    Who's complaining about what someone else pays in taxes? I pay a good chunk of my wages, I could pay more if it meant reducing the national debt and putting us in a healthier place overall in this country.
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    God, how patient are Thy poor! These corporations and masters of manipulation in finance heaping up great fortunes by a system of legalized extortion,
    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Who's complaining about what someone else pays in taxes? I pay a good chunk of my wages, I could pay more if it meant reducing the national debt and putting us in a healthier place overall in this country.
    I didn't see you complain.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Well then congratulations as this is what you will be doing for the rest of your life while you complain about what someone else has and pays in taxes. I always had more initiative and drive than that but then again that is me.
    you're kind of an angry person.. you need to drink some tea or do some yoga or something.
    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
    - Abraham Lincoln

    Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

    God, how patient are Thy poor! These corporations and masters of manipulation in finance heaping up great fortunes by a system of legalized extortion,
    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

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