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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If you enjoyed last weekend thank a union.

    Honestly though, I got screwed pretty hard by the union. I worked for three years at Local #113 and a lot of money was put into my pension plan from my employer. The job moved to Chicago and I had to transfer to Local #2. Same union, different local. I worked there 2 years until the job was done.

    But because I wasn't at local # 113 for four full years I wasn't "vested." And because local #113 and local #2 did not have a "reciprocity (sp?)" agreement" between them, I lost ALL of the money my employer paid into my pension. Five years worth. That was THOUSANDS of dollars. The union KEPT it all.

    So, needless to say, I got a F.U. in my pocket for unions.

    What does upset me is the rightwing hypocracy of wanting to keep government out of the private business sector while, all the while, approving of government sticking their dick skinner's in the unions. And the lie they use to justify their hypocracy about actually caring for these workers is just mind boggling. Rightwing corporatist type people don't give two snits for workers. Never have, never will. They just as soon have a chinaman do their work. This is just the government, under republican dominance, attempting to diminish their competition (democrats) by going after their revenue streams. No more, no less. They do not care about workers, union or not. It's all about their dirty politics. Gerrymandering, voter oppression, union busting, is what they are doing in attempt to bolster their OWN power and assure the rich continue to get richer and the poor continue to get poorer and more dependant on the rich.

    No. I'm no fan of the union. But I hate the GOP much, much more.
    Certainly your choice, but I am waiting to see how the GOP hurt you and your family more than the union did?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Certainly your choice, but I am waiting to see how the GOP hurt you and your family more than the union did?
    Well, I may never recover the losses I incurred back when the Halliburton, er, Cheny/Bush regime blew our money on unjustified wars and fat-cat corporate subsidies and Wall Street running roughshod through my life's 401 savings.

    I mean, thanks to Obama, et al, I did recover my losses from the Bush era and my house value is back where it was before the Bush era. So, 8 years later, I'm back to even. But I would have a LOT more in the kitty had it not been for these fatcat, corporate/Wall Street ass kissers commonly known as the GOP.

    So, there is five years of lost savings from the unions. 8 years of lost savings from the GOP. I'd just as soon that they both die and go to hell. But that's just me.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Because with Tweedledumocrats there are never any consequences for failure and always someone else to bail you out. Democrats destroy incentive with this kind of social engineering. You don't hear Republicans demonizing individual wealth creation and promoting class warfare. You really think any Republican cares how much you individually make or pay in taxes?
    Why, yes, yes, I think they do.

    Supporting raising the maximum tax rate by 3 or 4% on the "wealthy" is not "taking away incentive." It is not, in fact, much of anything more than a way to gain support of the lower middle class. The effect would be minimal, both in terms of revenue raised and in taxes paid by individuals.

    And, the consequences for failure are somewhat reduced when the "too big to fail" entities are bailed out and continue to operate, correct? Is that a Democrat issue, or did the Republicans also support it?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    And the majority in the US Senate passed
    the affordable health care act back in
    December of 1999.

    Nothing wrong with that.
    Lol....it sure made health care "affordable".

    What a moronic law. Hell half of the States are refusing to set up exchanges which means the Fed has to pay for all of the new medicare patients.

    And with what money ?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, I may never recover the losses I incurred
    back when the Halliburton, er, Cheny/Bush regime blew our money on unjustified wars and fat-cat corporate subsidies and Wall Street running roughshod through my life's 401 savings.

    I mean, thanks to Obama, et al, I did recover my losses from the Bush era and my house value is back where it was before the Bush era. So, 8 years later, I'm back to even. But I would have a LOT more in the kitty had it not been for these fatcat, corporate/Wall Street ass kissers commonly known as the GOP.

    So, there is five years of lost savings from the unions. 8 years of lost savings from the GOP. I'd just as soon that they both die and go to hell. But that's just me.
    You realize Clinton gave halliburton their first " no bid" contract right ?

    So much for your warmed over plattitudes

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You realize Clinton gave halliburton their first " no bid" contract right ?

    So much for your warmed over plattitudes
    Clinton also ramrodded NAFTA and got blow jobs in the oval office. But my 401's skyrocketed so I am not so quick to poo-poo him as I do Bush Corp.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, I may never recover the losses I incurred back when the Halliburton, er, Cheny/Bush regime blew our money on unjustified wars and fat-cat corporate subsidies and Wall Street running roughshod through my life's 401 savings.

    I mean, thanks to Obama, et al, I did recover my losses from the Bush era and my house value is back where it was before the Bush era. So, 8 years later, I'm back to even. But I would have a LOT more in the kitty had it not been for these fatcat, corporate/Wall Street ass kissers commonly known as the GOP.

    So, there is five years of lost savings from the unions. 8 years of lost savings from the GOP. I'd just as soon that they both die and go to hell. But that's just me.
    Really, so you were directly affected by the cost of the wars, how? You claim our money has been spent and yet the govt. doesn't seem to have a problem spending more so again, how did the GOP hurt you and your family? seems to me that you believe Bush controlled the economy so much that he destroyed it without any help from the Democrat Controlled Congress?

    I find it interesting that I lived during the same period of time and sold my stocks when the Democrats took control of Congress. If you recall, the economy grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.4 trillion during the Bush term and the stock market went over 14000 in 2007 so your losses were in 2008.

    I survive regardless of who is President. It really is a shame that you depend so much on the President that you blame the entire party for your own mistakes.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really, so you were directly affected by the cost of the wars, how? You claim our money has been spent and yet the govt. doesn't seem to have a problem spending more so again, how did the GOP hurt you and your family? seems to me that you believe Bush controlled the economy so much that he destroyed it without any help from the Democrat Controlled Congress?

    I find it interesting that I lived during the same period of time and sold my stocks when the Democrats took control of Congress. If you recall, the economy grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.4 trillion during the Bush term and the stock market went over 14000 in 2007 so your losses were in 2008.

    I survive regardless of who is President. It really is a shame that you depend so much on the President that you blame the entire party for your own mistakes.
    So, the economy is only affected negatively when it's a democrat that's in office. Gotcha.

    It's okay to put all the blame on Obama but Bush gets a pass. Gotcha.

    If you want to agree that the president has little or nothing to do with the economy you do realize that you will also have to give Obama the same courtesy too, don't you?

    Look, one thing leads to another. It's a domino effect. I would much rather have spent the billions wasted on the Bush Corp. wars on roads, education and healthcare right here in the good ol' USA. Or not spent the money at all.

    I agree that there is plenty of blame to go around. But I am trying to relate in terms you guys might possibly understand. And if the buck stops at the Whitehouse, as you guys are insisting it does NOW, then Clinton gets the credit for my savings gains, Bush gets the blame for my savings losses and Obama gets the credit for me recouping my losses. Hey, they're YOUR rules. I mean, you guys blame Obama, democrats and liberals for everything from nose bleeds to cock warts. Just playing by YOUR rules.

    You do know that if I had pulled out my 401 savings (which I had every intention on doing had Romney won the election,) I would lose 30% right off the top, don't you? Penalty and tax? Even though my stocks plummeted in value, I still had them. Thank goodness I didn't pull them or my gains would have been much lower. Hopefully, by the time Obama's second term is up, I will have pulled all my investments and be all set up to retire at my beach house in Tarpon Springs. After that, everybody can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. LOL!
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So, the economy is only affected negatively when it's a democrat that's in office. Gotcha.

    It's okay to put all the blame on Obama but Bush gets a pass. Gotcha.

    If you want to agree that the president has little or nothing to do with the economy you do realize that you will also have to give Obama the same courtesy too, don't you?

    Look, one thing leads to another. It's a domino effect. I would much rather have spent the billions wasted on the Bush Corp. wars on roads, education and healthcare right here in the good ol' USA. Or not spent the money at all.

    I agree that there is plenty of blame to go around. But I am trying to relate in terms you guys might possibly understand. And if the buck stops at the Whitehouse, as you guys are insisting it does NOW, then Clinton gets the credit for my savings gains, Bush gets the blame for my savings losses and Obama gets the credit for me recouping my losses. Hey, they're YOUR rules. I mean, you guys blame Obama, democrats and liberals for everything from nose bleeds to cock warts. Just playing by YOUR rules.

    You do know that if I had pulled out my 401 savings (which I had every intention on doing had Romney won the election,) I would lose 30% right off the top, don't you? Penalty and tax? Even though my stocks plummeted in value, I still had them. Thank goodness I didn't pull them or my gains would have been much lower. Hopefully, by the time Obama's second term is up, I will have pulled all my investments and be all set up to retire at my beach house in Tarpon Springs. After that, everybody can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. LOL!
    So no answer to the question as to how GW Bush and Republicans hurt you and your family? Just goes to show that like far too many you buy rhetoric and ignore substance and facts. You stated that there is plenty of blame to go around yet you levy it all on Bush. You blame Bush for budgets that created a 4.9 trillion debt in 8 yrs but not Obama spending that has added 5.6 trillion in 4.

    Facts seem to have no place in your world, Democrats took control of the Congress in January 2007 and thus were in charge of the budget for 2008 and 2009. Where is your outrage over Democrat actions or do you not know how our govt. works?

    Like all liberals you seem to believe that all taxes are the same and ignore the purpose of those taxes. You really need to educate yourself on all the taxes you pay and what they fund. In the meantime I will continue to wait for you to explain how the GOP and Bush hurt you and your family?

    Do you understand how investments work? You don't lose a dime if you don't sell and since there has been an improvement in the stock market any paper loss in 2008 has been recovered none due to Obama policies.

    it really is too bad that far too many have your attitude and lack of understanding of civics.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because while at a point in their history they were a needed answer to a problem in the country regarding business, that reasoning has been addressed, so they have moved to communist greed, and communist ideology.

    But considering your own avitar, I don't need to tell you that....
    Communist greed? I think capitalism is far more associated with greed, I don't think too many would disagree with me there.

    Unions have meetings, in those meeting the union members (such as myself) get together and we vote on important issues that are brought up. This to me is far more Democratic than what current "private sector" business' are run by.

    I would say that Unions are Democratic, and Private Industry is more Dictatorial.
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    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
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