Page 44 of 66 FirstFirst ... 34424344454654 ... LastLast
Results 431 to 440 of 660

Thread: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

  1. #431
    Educator
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Texas
    Last Seen
    10-20-13 @ 10:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    675

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Just a guess, but, I suspect many of those minimum wage and below jobs are found in the Lower Rio Grande Valley, an area dominated for decades by democratic politicians. Do a google on Loyd Bentsen and his father and the Yturria family starting with Francisco. Fausto is also interesting. Those two families control a lot of wealth in the Valley. Cheap labor is sometimes a foundation for great financial empires. And the fact is, cheap labor, including illegals, has always been a player in the Valley. Not too many unions there either. Surprising as the democrats, of course, support unions. Not really, the Bentsens and the Yturrias run the show.

    Lloyd Bentsen Sr., 95, the Father Of Texas Senator, Killed in Crash - NYTimes.com

    "Mr. Bentsen was a nearly legendary figure in South Texas, where he arrived almost penniless in 1917 and amassed a fortune in real estate, oil and cattle with an estimated worth of $50 million to $100 million."

    Yturria

    The domain of Fausto Yturria Jr. Brownsville, Texas. Businessman, Rancher, Philanthropist, Art and Music Lover

    Fausto is a republican...some irony.

  2. #432
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    this is true enough, however, it is arguably the union collective bargaining over the years, which has displayed greed, and near RICO like mob behavior that is bankrupting companies to the point in which they are relocating either to the south, or overseas altogether...
    That is just total nonsense. These companies relocate elsewhere or overseas in order to increase shareholder value by escaping U.S. government regulations (i.e: OSHA, EPA, etc.), taking advantage of vulnerable governments and highly venal (and a great deal cheaper) corrupt government officials, taking advantage of cheaper real estate and lower taxes, and taking advantage of unorganized and desperately indigent labor markets. It has little to do with their going bankrupt and everything to do with greed on one side of the shareholder vs employee equation.

    Are you sure you want to entertain the subject of "near RICO like mob behavior?"
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  3. #433
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    That is just total nonsense. These companies relocate elsewhere or overseas in order to increase shareholder value by escaping U.S. government regulations (i.e: OSHA, EPA, etc.), taking advantage of vulnerable governments and highly venal (and a great deal cheaper) corrupt government officials, taking advantage of cheaper real estate and lower taxes, and taking advantage of unorganized and desperately indigent labor markets. It has little to do with their going bankrupt and everything to do with greed on one side of the shareholder vs employee equation.
    Ok, please lay out the current Union bargained contract, with the wages and benefits for the average line worker in the UAW in Lansing Mi, for us then....Let us judge...

    See, I am not sure so I won't be absolute in what I am about to say, but I did hear that a union auto worker on the line average makes about $80 per hour, plus bene's.....Is that true?

    Are you sure you want to entertain the subject of "near RICO like mob behavior?"
    Abso 'freakin' loutly.......The Union is really nothing more than the mob, protected by liberal politicians.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  4. #434
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Ok, please lay out the current Union bargained contract, with the wages and benefits for the average line worker in the UAW in Lansing Mi, for us then....Let us judge...

    See, I am not sure so I won't be absolute in what I am about to say, but I did hear that a union auto worker on the line average makes about $80 per hour, plus bene's.....Is that true?
    I don't know. Why don't you come back when you know what you are talking about?

    Abso 'freakin' loutly.......The Union is really nothing more than the mob, protected by liberal politicians.
    I repeat, why don't you come back when you know what you are talking about?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  5. #435
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I don't know. Why don't you come back when you know what you are talking about?



    I repeat, why don't you come back when you know what you are talking about?

    So you answer twice that "I don't know...." But then tell me to come back when I know what I am talking about? Don't waste my time pal.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  6. #436
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    07-25-17 @ 12:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    5,878

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    What in God's name are you blathering about? We are not talking about job interviews. We are talking about legally binding contracts regarding salary, benefits, job description, discipline and grievance procedures, etc., etc.. There are teams of lawyers and accountants involved. Apparently, you have never read such an employment contract. It is not nearly the same thing as a job interview. A company the size of GM or Walmart is not going to negotiate a custom-tailored employment contract for each and every one of their employees. Your suggestion that they do, or ever would, in so-called RTW states or anywhere else is patently false. You do not know what you are talking about.
    First, the point was employee REVIEW as in annual reviews for wage adjustment but interviews is applicable. Are not potential employees INTERVIEWED individually?...further I have read MANY employee contracts. Most are boiler plate in the larger companies and extend from the initial application through hiring where the employee signs each. Your implication is that EACH MUST be custom-tailored. Not so in fact they can be (and typically are) forms that describe 'salary, benefits, job description' where these individual items are filled in per new hire. The balance, 'discipline and grievance procedures, etc., ' have been already prepared by 'teams of lawyers and accountants' and are merely agreed upon by the new hire by signature. Your assertion that it is impossible or impractical is purely false as MOST of each employees information is handled individually, even in union shop workplaces.

    BTW, the Wagner act delineates obligations of both parties for 'at-will' hiring that covers most of your concerns...
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

  7. #437
    Educator OnWisconsin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    04-07-16 @ 02:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    710

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly, this is about choice by the individual and it seems that the liberals only accept choice that supports their point of view. This is total arrogance in believing that the American people aren't smart enough to choose wisely when it comes to their employment, wage, and benefits opportunities and thus need union leadership to decide what is best for them.

    Unions have outlived their usefulness as evidenced by the small percentage of the labor force now unionized. We have laws on the books now to protect workers many of which came from union efforts but those efforts are no longer needed as the laws protect the workers so enforce the laws.
    Do either of you two know the difference between private sector unions and public sector unions? Do you realize that for me to join the Ironworkers I had to go through a 4 hour aptitude test and interview process... No one FORCED me to do anything. I chose to take those tests because I wanted to be a member. NOT ONE of any Ironworker / Pipefitter / Carpenter / Laborer / Steamfitter has ever been Forced to join their unions.. They did it by choice.

    The problem with conservatives is you are spoon fed your hatred for unions so much that you dont even know what the **** you are talking about anymore.


    For conservatives it isn't about being given the choice to join or not... Its about how you just got your asses handed to you by organized labor in the last election, and you want to disassemble that thinking it will give you the upper hand.
    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
    - Abraham Lincoln

    Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

    God, how patient are Thy poor! These corporations and masters of manipulation in finance heaping up great fortunes by a system of legalized extortion,
    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

  8. #438
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Do either of you two know the difference between private sector unions and public sector unions? Do you realize that for me to join the Ironworkers I had to go through a 4 hour aptitude test and interview process... No one FORCED me to do anything. I chose to take those tests because I wanted to be a member. NOT ONE of any Ironworker / Pipefitter / Carpenter / Laborer / Steamfitter has ever been Forced to join their unions.. They did it by choice.

    The problem with conservatives is you are spoon fed your hatred for unions so much that you dont even know what the **** you are talking about anymore.


    For conservatives it isn't about being given the choice to join or not... Its about how you just got your asses handed to you by organized labor in the last election, and you want to disassemble that thinking it will give you the upper hand.

    Now that is funny....The last election was considering the numbers that voted, a pretty narrow victory for Obama...Certainly not "asses handed" in any way...And not by unions, but more by young voters that repubs underestimated turn out for.

    But, to the main point, by your post about those willingly joining unions, let me ask, If I want to go to work at any of the GM plants in Lansing, and am qualified to do the job, can I work at the GM plant without joining the UAW?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  9. #439
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Your implication is that EACH MUST be custom-tailored.
    Actually, it was your implication that EACH COULD be custom-tailored. Did you forget? I am simply recognizing that your implication is quite ridiculous and fantastical.

    BTW, the Wagner act delineates obligations of both parties for 'at-will' hiring that covers most of your concerns.
    Do us both a favor: Stop typing and start reading, slowly this time.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  10. #440
    Educator OnWisconsin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    04-07-16 @ 02:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    710

    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now that is funny....The last election was considering the numbers that voted, a pretty narrow victory for Obama...Certainly not "asses handed" in any way...And not by unions, but more by young voters that repubs underestimated turn out for.

    But, to the main point, by your post about those willingly joining unions, let me ask, If I want to go to work at any of the GM plants in Lansing, and am qualified to do the job, can I work at the GM plant without joining the UAW?
    No but you can go work for the Hyundai plant in Georgia.. why the hell would you want to move to Michigan.

    And yes, if you were in management position you could go work for a GM plant..
    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
    - Abraham Lincoln

    Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

    God, how patient are Thy poor! These corporations and masters of manipulation in finance heaping up great fortunes by a system of legalized extortion,
    and then exacting from the contributors--to whom a little means so much--a double share to guard the treasure!
    - Robert M. LaFollette, Wisconsin Governor and U.S. Senator

Page 44 of 66 FirstFirst ... 34424344454654 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •