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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    You have shown no such thing other than your opinion. I am waiting for you to explain how a 16-19 year old living at home with parents making minimum wage isn't making a liveable wage? You seem to have a problem understanding personal responsibility as well as the responsibility of someone making minimum wage to work hard enough to earn more. Guess that comes with not employing anyone. Never in my career did I pay minimum wage and always promoted from within.
    As I said, you just have nothing left relating to the topic.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wait, this is the guy that posts links to a Rick Berman front organization, calls them a "union website".....and I am accused of getting info from "partisan sites"? The gall continues.

    You just don't have anything left related to the topic, do you?
    There is a lot of information out there from the labor department showing what union management makes but apparently Berman and Koch infiltrated the labor department and thus the labor dept doesn't provide a credible source. We need to pay attention to leftwing sites who are always accurate.

    I find it quite telling how someone who has nothing invested in another business, employs no one is such an expert on what other businesses should pay their employees. It truly is a gift that is being wasted in your sole proprietor ship as you could help the perceived problem of liveable wage by just hiring a few employees.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    Suppose you are a dues-paying member of a union, on the line at a widget factory. Mr. Scab, the guy working next to you, is a non-union worker. You are both earning $1000.00 per week union wage, paid weekly. The union dues are $100.00 per pay, of which you, as a dues-paying union worker, are paying 100%, while Mr. Scab, as a non-union worker is paying 0%. Obviously, Mr. Scab is going to be making significantly more money than you by year's end as a non-union worker collecting a union wage, and for doing nothing more than being a scab.
    Alternatively, you might consider giving yourself a big raise by quitting the union...
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor



    Looks like good thread for this guide to be in.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Corporation use various means to lower labor costs,to influence the market, the one at hand is to cripple the influence of unions in the market place by legislative means. Again, this is an action by corporations using govt to further their ends of lower wages.
    So what? Unions use legislative means to cripple the influence of employers and get higher wages. Why is one better than the other?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Looks like good thread for this guide to be in.
    But ... but ... but ... then all the liberals will be cut out of the discussions and the reasonable folks won't talk to them.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    They provide HI to less than 44% of their employees, and on average 25% of their employees use state HI programs, which is higher than nearly all other employers.

    You really need to get much better data than the BS you have been laying out.
    You, my dear, need to provide links for your supposed expert knowledge.

    Link: That WalMart provides health insurance for only 44% of its employees.
    Link: That 25% of WalMart employees use state healthcare.
    Link: That this % is higher than others.

    Come on. Just because you say it's so, it ain't.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Further on this point, are employees not reviewed individually regardless of union affiliation or not? Why? Is this not equally ‘impractical, if not impossible’?
    What in God's name are you blathering about? We are not talking about job interviews. We are talking about legally binding contracts regarding salary, benefits, job description, discipline and grievance procedures, etc., etc.. There are teams of lawyers and accountants involved. Apparently, you have never read such an employment contract. It is not nearly the same thing as a job interview. A company the size of GM or Walmart is not going to negotiate a custom-tailored employment contract for each and every one of their employees. Your suggestion that they do, or ever would, in so-called RTW states or anywhere else is patently false. You do not know what you are talking about.

    What is more, the whole point of collective bargaining is to manifest a unified front from which the individual worker can negotiate salary and benefits more effectively. Therefore, your suggestion of individually negotiated contracts, even in fantasyland, would be entirely antithetical to such purposes.

    You have already exposed your gross ignorance in regards to the subject of RTW and collective bargaining. The correct thing to do now is to amend your ignorance by educating yourself on the subject. The incorrect thing to do is to continue your failed argument from your present state of ignorance.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So what? Unions use legislative means to cripple the influence of employers and get higher wages. Why is one better than the other?
    That's a good question, Jonny. Why is one better than the other?

    The answer, of course, is that neither are necessarily "better" than the other. They are naturally opposing forces held together by a common interest, namely, the procuring of profits through the sale of company product on the market. The job of company executives (among other things) is to maximize profits for the share holders. The job of the union executives (among other things) is to maximize profits for the employees. Together, they form a peculiar symbiotic relationship, a classic thesis + antihesis = synthesis manifestation.

    That being said, the so-called "Right to Work" concept needs to be recognized for what it is: a clever ploy by company executives to break-up the union and end the aforementioned symbiotic relationship for the total benefit of the share holder, and not for any benefit of the employee, though the deceitful choice of words "Right to Work" are inclined to beguile the naive into believing the contrary.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    What in God's name are you blathering about? We are not talking about job interviews. We are talking about legally binding contracts regarding salary, benefits, job description, discipline and grievance procedures, etc., etc.. There are teams of lawyers and accountants involved. Apparently, you have never read such an employment contract. It is not nearly the same thing as a job interview. A company the size of GM or Walmart is not going to negotiate a custom-tailored employment contract for each and every one of their employees. Your suggestion that they do, or ever would, in so-called RTW states or anywhere else is patently false. You do not know what you are talking about.

    What is more, the whole point of collective bargaining is to manifest a unified front from which the individual worker can negotiate salary and benefits more effectively. Therefore, your suggestion of individually negotiated contracts, even in fantasyland, would be entirely antithetical to such purposes.

    You have already exposed your gross ignorance in regards to the subject of RTW and collective bargaining. The correct thing to do now is to amend your ignorance by educating yourself on the subject. The incorrect thing to do is to continue your failed argument from your present state of ignorance.

    this is true enough, however, it is arguably the union collective bargaining over the years, which has displayed greed, and near RICO like mob behavior that is bankrupting companies to the point in which they are relocating either to the south, or overseas altogether...
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