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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Only when they benefit from those Union efforts to increase pay. If they take the benefit without supporting those responsible, then they are freeloaders.
    "My machine is down, and I have nothing to do. I'll go sit in the cafeteria until it's fixed. And I'm not sweeping that damned floor!! It's not my job classification!! Call my union rep!!!" Who's the freeloader?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No one is forced to join, that has been illegal for decades. You have a choice, if you don't want increased pay, then accept the lower wage without the benefit. If you want the higher pay, then support those who got it for you.
    You libs still don't get it.

    After Romney lost, you libs were telling us we needed to go the "big tent" route and go after new sets of voters. No we are doing that, we are courting the anti-labor voters. We will have their vote in the 2014 and 2016 elections.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i actually agree with you
    folks should not be compelled to pay union dues
    but neither should they receive union representation in the workplace
    nor should they receive the things the union has already obtained for its represented workforce, such as sick leave, vacation days, family-friendly provisions, objective performance assessments, overtime pay, retirement plans, merit promotions, break facilities, grievance resolution processes, etc.
    they should be able to give up paying the cost of union operations ... but to do so they have to also acknowledge their willingness to relinquish their entitlement to any and all of the benefits that have been negotiated for the workforce by that union with which they seek to have no affiliation
    You credit unions with vacations? Retirement plans? Sick Days? Break facilities? Pensions? I've got big news for you!! Those bennies are rife in nonunion workplaces.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Anyone who benefits from Union efforts in increasing pay without paying for the effort....is a freeloader.

    No one is forced to join, that has been illegal for decades. You have a choice, if you don't want increased pay, then accept the lower wage without the benefit. If you want the higher pay, then support those who got it for you.
    How about, if you want the higher pay, get it for yourself?

    Work hard, prove your value to the employer, and negotiate your own increase.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Overturning a law is always more difficult, especially if it requires combating a Gov veto. Note, the Gov last year stated he would not sign off on a "RTW" law.
    No, I don't think he specifically said this...but of course you are welcome to prove me wrong.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Union tend to vote democrat and give money support to democratic candidates and causes. When you force everyone to pay dues, everyone has to contribute to the democratic party even if your affilation is another party or no party.

    The fear the union leaders and democrats have is competition, since they now have a monopoly on union dues. It is conceivable that a republican union could form, based on members of the current unions, who like being in the union, but are currently being forced to shoot themselves in the foot.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is not only MI reps speaking out, working against this effort by lame duck GOP reps. Watch what you write to me, bub.
    But, it is only MI reps that can vote on the matter and that is what we were talking about. As for that last, KMA, this is a discussion board and the only control you have in the discussion is over what YOU post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You have zero real world political experience if you really believe what you are writing.
    Perhaps, but since you haven't a clue what my experience is, it's foolish to make such a statement. Especially considering I'm correct. Are you sticking with the assertion that a repeal bill takes more votes than the original bill did? Or are you just covering for the fact you mis-spoke and the change in legislative mix is so slight as to be a non-factor here.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You credit unions with vacations? Retirement plans? Sick Days? Break facilities? Pensions? I've got big news for you!! Those bennies are rife in nonunion workplaces.
    they are 'rife' as you put it, because unions led the way in getting them, and non union shops had to offer them to compete.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    Union tend to vote democrat and give money support democratic candidates and causes. When you force everyone to pay dues, everyone has to contribute to the democratic party even if your affilation is another party.

    The fear the union leadersand democrats have is competition, since they now have a monopoly. It is conceivable that a republican union could form, based on members of the current unions who like being in the union but are forced to shoot themselves in the foot.
    you may want to re-think the second part of your post.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Being given "benefits" they did not ask for, that makes them freeloaders? Yeah, right. This is precisely why if someone mails goods to you unasked you get to keep said goods without obligation. It's a loss leader of sorts.
    So your argument is to compare continuing benefit you receive without any effort from you....to a one time address error?

    Keep digging that hole.
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