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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    His minimizing the cost of the war by changing the reporting of the budget.....is not the same thing as using SSTF dollars to fund a war.

    You just cannot understand the difference or admit that you are in total error.
    How did he MINIMIZE the cost of the war? He hid the true costs of the war by putting all tax funds into the general fund and because there was a SS surplus the deficit was reduced. People don't seem to matter what costs are if there are funds to cover those costs and that is what the SS surplus at the time did.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Discrimination? How so? As to the 'time and expense to negotiate individual contracts for each of its employees', how do you think it has been going on in RTW states for the MANY years they have existed? Or are you under the delusion that there are no companies in the RTW states?

    ...fantasyland indeed...
    Discrimination litigation quite easily: When you pay a white employee a higher wage than a black employee when they are both working in the same job title, or pay a male worker a higher wage than a female worker, etc..

    Show me one company in a RTW state who employees more than a 1000 workers and negotiates individual contracts with each and every worker on a recurring basis.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What I view as fair and what you view as fair is irrelevant for it what the market determines is fair that matters. A company doesn't stay in business when it prices itself out of the market and the biggest single monthly operating expense of any business is payroll
    Corporation use various means to lower labor costs,to influence the market, the one at hand is to cripple the influence of unions in the market place by legislative means. Again, this is an action by corporations using govt to further their ends of lower wages.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Corporation use various means to lower labor costs,to influence the market, the one at hand is to cripple the influence of unions in the market place by legislative means. Again, this is an action by corporations using govt to further their ends of lower wages.
    Name for me one corporation that pays its workers what you would consider a non fair wage?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How did he MINIMIZE the cost of the war? He hid the true costs of the war by putting all tax funds into the general fund and because there was a SS surplus the deficit was reduced. People don't seem to matter what costs are if there are funds to cover those costs and that is what the SS surplus at the time did.
    Again, you are still trying to argue that SSTF were directly spent in the Vietnam war, they were not. Time and again I have said that it was an accounting trick, you are still trying to wiggle out of your original claim without providing any supporting evidence.

    Next, you will change your claim to something else entirely, I know your deceitful debate methods. It will not work.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Discrimination litigation quite easily: When you pay a white employee a higher wage than a black employee when they are both working in the same job title, or pay a male worker a higher wage than a female worker, etc..
    But aren't there federal laws about this? Further do you REALLY think an employer would risk the lawsuits associated with such discrimination? Certainly it does happen AND those employers get thier asses sued off. But more importantly what does this have to do with RTW?

    again fantasyland indeed...

    Show me one company in a RTW state who employees more than a 1000 workers and negotiates individual contracts with each and every worker on a recurring basis.
    How exactly would I do that? Do you think these 'individual contracts' are public? Isn't that also...against the law?...but I will try
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Although not the UAW, I wonder if this is truly what you support?

    Union Facts: Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers Leaders, Employees, and Salaries

    That union choice issue seems to be of real concern to union management and I am sure the UAW is no different than this union in what it pays its management
    Shirley, you do not want to compare the salaries of union executives to that of company executives.

    Do we need to even go there?
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Name for me one corporation that pays its workers what you would consider a non fair wage?
    I see you have reached another dead end and need to go off on yet another tangent.

    Again, tangents are concessions, you are conceding once again
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, you are still trying to argue that SSTF were directly spent in the Vietnam war, they were not. Time and again I have said that it was an accounting trick, you are still trying to wiggle out of your original claim without providing any supporting evidence.

    Next, you will change your claim to something else entirely, I know your deceitful debate methods. It will not work.
    The facts show that but since you don't understand a unified budget it is hard dealing with people like you

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see you have reached another dead end and need to go off on yet another tangent.

    Again, tangents are concessions, you are conceding once again
    Just responding to your claims about corporations paying low wages yet you cannot name one. Here is the real problem which you want to ignore

    Union Facts: Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers Leaders, Employees, and Salaries

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