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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Your point is based on the a presumption that the 'scab' cannot get a better deal than the union for HIS individual compensation. Consider if the 'scab' did individually negotiate a better compensation package AND through fair negotiation discovery the union finds out the 'scab's' package then moves their goal to his should the 'scab' then receive the negotiation fee the union would have justified?
    Yes, I can see this happening in fantasyland, but in the real world where there are all sorts of laws pertaining to discrimination, it would not be at all practical. And do you really think that a company which employs thousands of workers is going to take the time and expense to negotiate individual contracts for each of its employees?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Hogwash, you are not interested in fair wages, you are interested in seeking the lowest wages, you are a company man, a corporatist, an anti-union provocateur.
    What I am not interested in are people like you claiming you know what a fair wage is. The market decides what is fair, not you, not the govt, and certainly not any union.

    It would be very simple for you to help solve the problem, hire some employees and pay them what you feel is fair. What exactly would that be?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Maybe I'm not making this clear enough. I'll try again.

    Suppose you are a dues-paying member of a union, on the line at a widget factory. Mr. Scab, the guy working next to you, is a non-union worker. You are both earning $1000.00 per week union wage, paid weekly. The union dues are $100.00 per pay, of which you, as a dues-paying union worker, are paying 100%, while Mr. Scab, as a non-union worker is paying 0%. Obviously, Mr. Scab is going to be making significantly more money than you by year's end as a non-union worker collecting a union wage, and for doing nothing more than being a scab.

    Do you get it now?

    If you do, then I'm sure you can see that, in the fullness of time, so many union workers will take the bait and crossover to the scab side that the union will no longer be able to afford its operating expenses and will dissolve. Then, of course, so will the union wage.
    No, your point was crystal. But you presume that an employer will not realize that a non-union employee will be MUCH less expensive overall and thus can justify paying him individually more than the $1000/week...
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    YOU brought forward the links to what Johnson did, none of it supported your view that SSTF were used to finance the Vietnam war. You then demand that I prove a negative since you couldn't support what you claimed. All you have now is flailing failure.

    Concede, you are wrong.
    Get some help from all your employees to help you read the article and then do some research on why LBJ formed the commission to handle budget issues?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Yes, I can see this happening in fantasyland, but in the real world where there are all sorts of laws pertaining to discrimination, it would not be at all practical. And do you really think that a company which employs thousands of workers is going to take the time and expense to negotiate individual contracts for each of its employees?
    Discrimination? How so? As to the 'time and expense to negotiate individual contracts for each of its employees', how do you think it has been going on in RTW states for the MANY years they have existed? Or are you under the delusion that there are no companies in the RTW states?

    ...fantasyland indeed...
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, your point was crystal. But you presume that an employer will not realize that a non-union employee will be MUCH less expensive overall and thus can justify paying him individually more than the $1000/week...
    See my above post.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    See my above post.
    Although not the UAW, I wonder if this is truly what you support?

    Union Facts: Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers Leaders, Employees, and Salaries

    That union choice issue seems to be of real concern to union management and I am sure the UAW is no different than this union in what it pays its management

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What I am not interested in are people like you claiming you know what a fair wage is. The market decides what is fair, not you, not the govt, and certainly not any union.

    It would be very simple for you to help solve the problem, hire some employees and pay them what you feel is fair. What exactly would that be?
    What is fair in your corporatist mind and what is fair from a workers viewpoint are two very different things, as is the power of a corporation compared to an individual worker. You can yap about about what you view as fair, but we all know your viewpoint, it is not that of the worker. It is the viewpoint of a company man.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    What is fair in your corporatist mind and what is fair from a workers viewpoint are two very different things, as is the power of a corporation compared to an individual worker. You can yap about about what you view as fair, but we all know your viewpoint, it is not that of the worker. It is the viewpoint of a company man.
    What I view as fair and what you view as fair is irrelevant for it what the market determines is fair that matters. A company doesn't stay in business when it prices itself out of the market and the biggest single monthly operating expense of any business is payroll

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Get some help from all your employees to help you read the article and then do some research on why LBJ formed the commission to handle budget issues?
    His minimizing the cost of the war by changing the reporting of the budget.....is not the same thing as using SSTF dollars to fund a war.

    You just cannot understand the difference or admit that you are in total error.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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