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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How does personal choice on the part of an employee destroy the union? If unions provide the services that you and others claim why wouldn't an employee choose to belong?
    Because the entire line of "Right to Work" is total B.S.

    No one is forced to join a union. However, a scab will be required to pay 85% of the standard union dues in the form of a negotiations fee as return for the union wage he is earning, a wage which the union obtained at its own expense.

    What "Right to Work" really amounts to is giving the scab the right to collect a union wage without paying the negotiations fee, thus garnering a significantly higher wage for the scab than the dues-paying union member. Obviously, the intent of so-called "Right to Work" is to encourage union members to jump ship and join the scabs by giving a financial incentive to do so.

    "Right to Work" is just a veiled method of union-busting.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You want me to prove a negative?

    It was your claim that SSTF dollars were used, you can't find anything to support your claim, so you try to get me to prove a negative. If this is your method of conceding the argument, I accept.
    Is there some reason that you cannot admit that you are wrong? What is a unified budget? Maybe you can get some of your employees to explain it to you?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Because the entire line of "Right to Work" is total B.S.

    No one is forced to join a union. However, a scab will be required to pay 85% of the standard union dues in the form of a negotiations fee as return for the union wage he is earning, a wage which the union obtained at its own expense.

    What "Right to Work" really amounts to is giving the scab the right to collect a union wage without paying the negotiations fee, thus garnering a significantly higher wage for the scab than the dues-paying union member. Obviously, the intent of so-called "Right to Work" is to encourage union members to jump ship and join the scabs by giving a financial incentive to do so.

    "Right to Work" is just a veiled method of union-busting.
    If what you say is true, then why is it that when union members have a choice, they are unlikely to pay dues? It's your own members that unions fear when right-to-work goes into effect. Their own members don't want to pay the dues. Are they scabs?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hiring the cheapest labor available is not always such a good business plan. I'd say Henry Ford was a pretty good businessman, at least based on his success.

    And just what is your definition of "liberal" anyway? The way you use the term, it seems to mean, "anyone who disagrees with my point of view." If that's wrong, then post your own definition.
    That would be the definition that I would use to define a liberal since choice only matters when it comes to issues that a liberal wants and one whose opinion is the same as another liberal. To me a liberal thinks with their heart instead of their brain. Isn't it amazing how so many people here that have never run a business, never employed anyone else are such experts in the field of business? It would make sense that in this country where you can be whatever you want to be that some of these experts would start their own business, hire employees, and pay them whatever they deem as a living wage but somehow never do it.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Is there some reason that you cannot admit that you are wrong? What is a unified budget? Maybe you can get some of your employees to explain it to you?
    He already supported his position:

    "In 1968, a 10% surtax was imposed to pay for the Vietnam War, which raised revenue by about 1% of GDP. And there was conscription during both wars, which can be viewed as a kind of tax that was largely paid by the poor and middle class--young men from wealthy families largely escaped its effects through college deferments."

    The Cost Of War - Forbes.com
    You OTOH have not supported your position

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    But that is still the point, the worker does have the choice, you corporatists should not need government to further your agenda.
    They now have a choice to be a part of that union or not. How does that cripple a union? If unions are so great why aren't people willinging joining and why are unions so concerned about denying others the choice to join or not?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Let me get this, you have the gall to talk about the cost of living.....while arguing for lower wages?

    That is just whacked out nonsense.
    Of course it is because we know that living in California is just as expensive as living in Indiana. Talk about wacked out nonsense. Wages should be determined by the market place and not a union or the federal govt. why don't you start hiring people and help solve the problems you say we have in this country?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    He already did support his position:



    You OTOH have not supported your position
    Another liberal that doesn't understand the unified budget. Where did the 10% tax go? How do you know that tax was used to fund the Vietnam War?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Because the entire line of "Right to Work" is total B.S.

    No one is forced to join a union. However, a scab will be required to pay 85% of the standard union dues in the form of a negotiations fee as return for the union wage he is earning, a wage which the union obtained at its own expense.

    What "Right to Work" really amounts to is giving the scab the right to collect a union wage without paying the negotiations fee, thus garnering a significantly higher wage for the scab than the dues-paying union member. Obviously, the intent of so-called "Right to Work" is to encourage union members to jump ship and join the scabs by giving a financial incentive to do so.

    "Right to Work" is just a veiled method of union-busting.
    That is saying that the individual negotiating on their own cannot generate the same wages as a union employee. That is nonsense and I will put my record up against yours at anytime. Why don't you start a business and help solve what you perceive as a wage issue?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Another liberal that doesn't understand the unified budget. Where did the 10% tax go? How do you know that tax was used to fund the Vietnam War?
    Do you have anything to support your position or not?

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