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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it doesn't and I wasn't telling you to stfu - try reading for comprehension.
    If you quote me, and refer to me....then you are talking to me.

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    IF you truly believe that is the case, the answer is simple, stfu
    Overturning a law is always more difficult, especially if it requires combating a Gov veto. Note, the Gov last year stated he would not sign off on a "RTW" law.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No one is forced to join, that has been illegal for decades.
    Perhaps not to join, but they are forced to pay union dues. Same thing.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Any teacher that did that should be fired. I'll bet they can find someone in this economy (especially theirs in Detroit) that will teach willingly and probably for less money.


    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Teachers ditched school to protest. And in a place where only 7% of eighth graders can read.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If you quote me, and refer to me....then you are talking to me.
    I didn't refer to you specifically, and again, you misunderstood. Unless you are a member of the Michigan legislature, then I was indeed talking about you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Overturning a law is always more difficult, especially if it requires combating a Gov veto. Note, the Gov last year stated he would not sign off on a "RTW" law.
    No, it's not. A repeal bill requires the same vote the original bill requires and your point was the legislayive mix had changed for the new cycle. IF that is true as you assert, then it should be no problem to have the repeal bill crafted and waiting for the new majority to take office in a month.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Perhaps not to join, but they are forced to pay union dues. Same thing.
    Only when they benefit from those Union efforts to increase pay. If they take the benefit without supporting those responsible, then they are freeloaders.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Overturning a law is always more difficult, especially if it requires combating a Gov veto. Note, the Gov last year stated he would not sign off on a "RTW" law.
    Another poster indicated that neither house is changing its basic makeup, so it doesn't matter if this legislation is taken up now or later, it still would have passed. Its probably being done now in response to the failed measure to amend the state constitution(58%-42%) with guaranteed collective bargaining rights.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    God forbid someone be allowed to work without being forced to pay a union they don't want to join.

    Freedom in the eyes of the Democrat party.
    i actually agree with you
    folks should not be compelled to pay union dues
    but neither should they receive union representation in the workplace
    nor should they receive the things the union has already obtained for its represented workforce, such as sick leave, vacation days, family-friendly provisions, objective performance assessments, overtime pay, retirement plans, merit promotions, break facilities, grievance resolution processes, etc.
    they should be able to give up paying the cost of union operations ... but to do so they have to also acknowledge their willingness to relinquish their entitlement to any and all of the benefits that have been negotiated for the workforce by that union with which they seek to have no affiliation
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I didn't refer to you specifically, and again, you misunderstood. Unless you are a member of the Michigan legislature, then I was indeed talking about you.
    It is not only MI reps speaking out, working against this effort by lame duck GOP reps. Watch what you write to me, bub.



    No, it's not. A repeal bill requires the same vote the original bill requires and your point was the legislayive mix had changed for the new cycle. IF that is true as you assert, then it should be no problem to have the repeal bill crafted and waiting for the new majority to take office in a month.
    You have zero real world political experience if you really believe what you are writing.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i actually agree with you
    folks should not be compelled to pay union dues
    but neither should they receive union representation in the workplace
    nor should they receive the things the union has already obtained for its represented workforce, such as sick leave, vacation days, family-friendly provisions, objective performance assessments, overtime pay, retirement plans, merit promotions, break facilities, grievance resolution processes, etc.
    they should be able to give up paying the cost of union operations ... but to do so they have to also acknowledge their willingness to relinquish their entitlement to any and all of the benefits that have been negotiated for the workforce by that union with which they seek to have no affiliation
    exactly, no freeloaders

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Only when they benefit from those Union efforts to increase pay. If they take the benefit without supporting those responsible, then they are freeloaders.
    Being given "benefits" they did not ask for, that makes them freeloaders? Yeah, right. This is precisely why if someone mails goods to you unasked you get to keep said goods without obligation. It's a loss leader of sorts.

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